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[RWC2019][Pool C] Round 4 - England vs. France (12/10/2019) *MATCH CANCELLED DUE TO BAD WEATHER*
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<blockquote data-quote="Which Tyler" data-source="post: 967094" data-attributes="member: 73592"><p>I've written this on another board; though I'd put it up here - as Scotland v Japan is on again, I'm leaving it out of there, and this seems the most appropriate of the 3 cancelled match threads - whilst we do'nt have a specific thread to discuss the cancellations.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It SEEMS that the contingency for England v France was to move to a stadium 20km away.</p><p>I'm not expert on Typhoons - but I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to be a once-in-a-generation typhoon to render 20km as not far enough (medium-arge Typhoon affect an area 500km diameter).</p><p></p><p>It SEEMS that the contingency for NZ v Italy was to delay by 24 hours (nice consistency there, from the organisation screaming that they have to be consistent in their contingencies).</p><p>NZ didn't want to do that (despite having apparently read and signed up to the rubst contingencies) - so the competitor has the right to veto the contingency plan, without forfeitting.</p><p></p><p>It SEEMS that the contingency for Scotland vs Japan and Namibia v Canada was... literally non-existent (nice "robust" consistency there, from the organisation screaming that it has to be consistent in their contingencies, which are very "robust").</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, it seems to me that when planning contingencies for an event taking place during typhoon season, you'd look at typhoon frequency, severity and size. You'd also need a contingency plan in place for earthquakes - though they'd come with so little warning as to be impossible to plan too much for.</p><p>Nippon.com tells me that for September & October, Japan can expect 5 typhoons to approach / afect Japan, and 1 to make landfall. So you absolutely HAVE to make contingencies, it is far more likely than not, for the RWC to be weather affected.</p><p>It would apear that a moderately large typhoon affects an area (to the point of preventing rugby being played) around a 250km radius from the eye.</p><p>So any contingency should involve, either moving a match in time, to play it before the effects build up, or after, by enough that it is likely to be playable - it would seem that 24 hours either side is safe (it also appears that NZ didn't like that contingency). The alternative is to move it in space - in which case, you'd want to either have 1 alternative venue 500+km away, or 2 alternative venues 250+km away so that they would be unaffected by the same typhoon. If you happen to get a super typhoon affecting a much larger area than anticipated, then so be it - that's unanticipated. The chances of a typhoon hitting, but a move of 20km (WR contingency) being enough are approximately zero.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I would then look at the size of Japan, and the maximum distance between stadiums used for the RWC (2,100km) and find it pretty much inconceivable that a typhoon would affect both Nagashimi (3 stadiums) and Hokkaido (1 stadium). You get a good 48 hours notice of reasonably precise tragectory for a typhoon - longer for less precise. I would not think it unreasonable for WR or RWC to essentially keep 2 stadia at opposite ends of the country ready enough that they can be used at 48 hours notice in the event of a typhoon disrupting the tournament (let's face it, they're being used anyway, so there's zero extra preparation required for that). We already know that teams can make the journey in time - because they have. If it's possible for England and France to both decamp 1,000km with 24 hours norice, I'm pretty sure that it's possible for WR to decamp 3 match officials the same distance with 48 hours notice. 70,000 fans are a different matter; but they're also not necessary for a rugby match to take place and playing behind closed doors is a better option than cancelling, whilst also making zero difference for the authorities dealing with a typhoon. Moving TV is also more difficult than moving teams; I simply don't know how much notice they'd require, but ultimately, rugby can be played without full TV coverage, and it's not beyond the wit of man to put up a static camera - which is still better for everyone than no match at all. If it means that matches are played back-to-back in the same stadium, then so be it - we know it's possible (although some of the pitches have been a disgrace that even the WRU or FFR would be ashamed of).</p><p>If you prefer the option of moving the match in time; so the same location, just 24 hours earlier or 24 hours later - then the only issue is to make the decision early enough.</p><p></p><p>If any team doesn't want to abide by the contingency plan; then they can always forfeit the match, and let the record say that they lost 28-0 with their opponent scoring 4 penalty tries.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Which Tyler, post: 967094, member: 73592"] I've written this on another board; though I'd put it up here - as Scotland v Japan is on again, I'm leaving it out of there, and this seems the most appropriate of the 3 cancelled match threads - whilst we do'nt have a specific thread to discuss the cancellations. It SEEMS that the contingency for England v France was to move to a stadium 20km away. I'm not expert on Typhoons - but I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to be a once-in-a-generation typhoon to render 20km as not far enough (medium-arge Typhoon affect an area 500km diameter). It SEEMS that the contingency for NZ v Italy was to delay by 24 hours (nice consistency there, from the organisation screaming that they have to be consistent in their contingencies). NZ didn't want to do that (despite having apparently read and signed up to the rubst contingencies) - so the competitor has the right to veto the contingency plan, without forfeitting. It SEEMS that the contingency for Scotland vs Japan and Namibia v Canada was... literally non-existent (nice "robust" consistency there, from the organisation screaming that it has to be consistent in their contingencies, which are very "robust"). Now, it seems to me that when planning contingencies for an event taking place during typhoon season, you'd look at typhoon frequency, severity and size. You'd also need a contingency plan in place for earthquakes - though they'd come with so little warning as to be impossible to plan too much for. Nippon.com tells me that for September & October, Japan can expect 5 typhoons to approach / afect Japan, and 1 to make landfall. So you absolutely HAVE to make contingencies, it is far more likely than not, for the RWC to be weather affected. It would apear that a moderately large typhoon affects an area (to the point of preventing rugby being played) around a 250km radius from the eye. So any contingency should involve, either moving a match in time, to play it before the effects build up, or after, by enough that it is likely to be playable - it would seem that 24 hours either side is safe (it also appears that NZ didn't like that contingency). The alternative is to move it in space - in which case, you'd want to either have 1 alternative venue 500+km away, or 2 alternative venues 250+km away so that they would be unaffected by the same typhoon. If you happen to get a super typhoon affecting a much larger area than anticipated, then so be it - that's unanticipated. The chances of a typhoon hitting, but a move of 20km (WR contingency) being enough are approximately zero. Personally, I would then look at the size of Japan, and the maximum distance between stadiums used for the RWC (2,100km) and find it pretty much inconceivable that a typhoon would affect both Nagashimi (3 stadiums) and Hokkaido (1 stadium). You get a good 48 hours notice of reasonably precise tragectory for a typhoon - longer for less precise. I would not think it unreasonable for WR or RWC to essentially keep 2 stadia at opposite ends of the country ready enough that they can be used at 48 hours notice in the event of a typhoon disrupting the tournament (let's face it, they're being used anyway, so there's zero extra preparation required for that). We already know that teams can make the journey in time - because they have. If it's possible for England and France to both decamp 1,000km with 24 hours norice, I'm pretty sure that it's possible for WR to decamp 3 match officials the same distance with 48 hours notice. 70,000 fans are a different matter; but they're also not necessary for a rugby match to take place and playing behind closed doors is a better option than cancelling, whilst also making zero difference for the authorities dealing with a typhoon. Moving TV is also more difficult than moving teams; I simply don't know how much notice they'd require, but ultimately, rugby can be played without full TV coverage, and it's not beyond the wit of man to put up a static camera - which is still better for everyone than no match at all. If it means that matches are played back-to-back in the same stadium, then so be it - we know it's possible (although some of the pitches have been a disgrace that even the WRU or FFR would be ashamed of). If you prefer the option of moving the match in time; so the same location, just 24 hours earlier or 24 hours later - then the only issue is to make the decision early enough. If any team doesn't want to abide by the contingency plan; then they can always forfeit the match, and let the record say that they lost 28-0 with their opponent scoring 4 penalty tries. [/QUOTE]
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