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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_stormer2010" data-source="post: 743097" data-attributes="member: 39190"><p>I believe that also. Its a tough one though, trying to redress past wrongs. I don't think anyone bar the most far right extremist loons (another minority of a minority of a minority that get far to big a share of the media pie) are trying to say some sort of speeding up of what I see as an unavoidable natural transformation simply by dint of the demographics of the country isn't necessary. </p><p></p><p>Its been 20 years though and though its naive to think that'd be enough to reach equality there are many questions to be asked. I can only speak from the experiences of muselfe and those I know though. I'm in the construction industry and I entered the job market right when the economy took a down-turn. It was rough going and I applied for a administrative job at our local council to review plan submissions. I got invited to do a test and know I got close enough to 100%. I was the only white guy invited (you have to fill in your race in the application) and after I was done I was thanked fr coming to write the test. I said somethig along the lines of thanks, its my pleasure, I hope to get the job. The guy looked at me half bemused and straight up told me I had no chance in hell and I was there as a bench-mark. If no non-white scored higher or at least 10% close to what I scored the position would remain unfilled until they did find someone to meet the criteria. Well there was a colored guy who got up along with me and you could just tell he had the test sorted as well. Going down in the elevator knowing this guy has it in the bag and you have no chance because of your lack of pigment just isn't a nice feeling. Long story short I had to go it alone and I am probably in a better position than what I would've been had I taken a council administrative job out of desperation. </p><p></p><p>My dad was a council engineer and he got BEE'd and we moved to Cape Town. The thing is he was asked if he could help out with the job still at higher pay and on a consultancy basis. he refused but the if he didn't one local government job would've effectively have been costing three times the rate it did at the expense of the tax payer and the only place it looks good is in the job creation stats helping paint a prettier if unsustainable and artificial picture. I can list countless such instances from persons I know intimately. </p><p></p><p>BEE, AA, quotas and such do help those directly benefitting from them, yes, but I feel one needs to question how big a pool and how big an impact that makes versus the downsides in that it stimmies- in a very real and direct way- SA's competitiveness, the economy and job creation long term. It also hampers any kind of real unity in the country. </p><p></p><p>But for every white guy who gets off better in the long run many just drop off the radar and the 1/3 of Boere living below the bread line and farm murders just isn't trendy and/or comfortable topics. Its somewhat of an embarrasment and politically incorrect to give a white beggar a hand.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_stormer2010, post: 743097, member: 39190"] I believe that also. Its a tough one though, trying to redress past wrongs. I don't think anyone bar the most far right extremist loons (another minority of a minority of a minority that get far to big a share of the media pie) are trying to say some sort of speeding up of what I see as an unavoidable natural transformation simply by dint of the demographics of the country isn't necessary. Its been 20 years though and though its naive to think that'd be enough to reach equality there are many questions to be asked. I can only speak from the experiences of muselfe and those I know though. I'm in the construction industry and I entered the job market right when the economy took a down-turn. It was rough going and I applied for a administrative job at our local council to review plan submissions. I got invited to do a test and know I got close enough to 100%. I was the only white guy invited (you have to fill in your race in the application) and after I was done I was thanked fr coming to write the test. I said somethig along the lines of thanks, its my pleasure, I hope to get the job. The guy looked at me half bemused and straight up told me I had no chance in hell and I was there as a bench-mark. If no non-white scored higher or at least 10% close to what I scored the position would remain unfilled until they did find someone to meet the criteria. Well there was a colored guy who got up along with me and you could just tell he had the test sorted as well. Going down in the elevator knowing this guy has it in the bag and you have no chance because of your lack of pigment just isn't a nice feeling. Long story short I had to go it alone and I am probably in a better position than what I would've been had I taken a council administrative job out of desperation. My dad was a council engineer and he got BEE'd and we moved to Cape Town. The thing is he was asked if he could help out with the job still at higher pay and on a consultancy basis. he refused but the if he didn't one local government job would've effectively have been costing three times the rate it did at the expense of the tax payer and the only place it looks good is in the job creation stats helping paint a prettier if unsustainable and artificial picture. I can list countless such instances from persons I know intimately. BEE, AA, quotas and such do help those directly benefitting from them, yes, but I feel one needs to question how big a pool and how big an impact that makes versus the downsides in that it stimmies- in a very real and direct way- SA's competitiveness, the economy and job creation long term. It also hampers any kind of real unity in the country. But for every white guy who gets off better in the long run many just drop off the radar and the 1/3 of Boere living below the bread line and farm murders just isn't trendy and/or comfortable topics. Its somewhat of an embarrasment and politically incorrect to give a white beggar a hand. [/QUOTE]
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