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<blockquote data-quote="SimonG" data-source="post: 670921" data-attributes="member: 71048"><p>It's true that unlike in the 1980s where many HAD to leave southern Ireland for work, today its not as extreme and many leave because its easy, travel is more accessible/cheaper, and people are more worldy and have broadened their horizons. However it is still true that the Irish economy lags way behind the UK (therefore us in the north). Watch this..(NI Unionist politician Jim Allister in a debate at Trinity over reuniting Ireland)..</p><p></p><p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=NApigh_QhEc" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/watch?v=NApigh_QhEc</a> </p><p></p><p>As much as i have no time for the bigoted ignoramous he's dead right on the economic argument against doing so. When I was younger and naive I was 100% nationalist, desperate for a united Ireland to reclaim an Irish identity that I have never fully had (always felt in limbo being in the UK as a kinda watered down Irish person). Not proper Irish. Anyway, the economic turmoil in the south is a huge reason to oppose such a unification (for the time being anyway), the Euro scares even the most staunch nationalist. Ultimately I want a united Ireland but it would be lunacy to do it just for reasons of identity/patriotism...so for the time being it's a no goer (although if the Scots leave the UK this would fast track Irish unification as the predominantly Ulster Scots Unionists wouldnt have any ties to the Union). I've said this before, while it obviously wont happen, my first choice would be a united Ireland AND be in the UK...that way I get the Irish identity I've never had while also being in a strong economy detached from the basket case that is the Eurozone.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Scots (in general) detest the English. Really im talking about working class Scots, labour voters, those who have a sense of entitlement (Scots cost the state £1300 more per person than the English each year)...everything must be handed out free. With this feeling that they are owed stuff, they have a chip on their shoulder which is directed largely towards those "nasty" English (toffs) who would deprive them of having their stuff. It's backward thinking but that's how many Scots are. They want their own government so they are guaranteed that they will get their stuff for the foreseeable...until the oil money runs out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SimonG, post: 670921, member: 71048"] It's true that unlike in the 1980s where many HAD to leave southern Ireland for work, today its not as extreme and many leave because its easy, travel is more accessible/cheaper, and people are more worldy and have broadened their horizons. However it is still true that the Irish economy lags way behind the UK (therefore us in the north). Watch this..(NI Unionist politician Jim Allister in a debate at Trinity over reuniting Ireland).. [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=NApigh_QhEc[/url] As much as i have no time for the bigoted ignoramous he's dead right on the economic argument against doing so. When I was younger and naive I was 100% nationalist, desperate for a united Ireland to reclaim an Irish identity that I have never fully had (always felt in limbo being in the UK as a kinda watered down Irish person). Not proper Irish. Anyway, the economic turmoil in the south is a huge reason to oppose such a unification (for the time being anyway), the Euro scares even the most staunch nationalist. Ultimately I want a united Ireland but it would be lunacy to do it just for reasons of identity/patriotism...so for the time being it's a no goer (although if the Scots leave the UK this would fast track Irish unification as the predominantly Ulster Scots Unionists wouldnt have any ties to the Union). I've said this before, while it obviously wont happen, my first choice would be a united Ireland AND be in the UK...that way I get the Irish identity I've never had while also being in a strong economy detached from the basket case that is the Eurozone. The Scots (in general) detest the English. Really im talking about working class Scots, labour voters, those who have a sense of entitlement (Scots cost the state £1300 more per person than the English each year)...everything must be handed out free. With this feeling that they are owed stuff, they have a chip on their shoulder which is directed largely towards those "nasty" English (toffs) who would deprive them of having their stuff. It's backward thinking but that's how many Scots are. They want their own government so they are guaranteed that they will get their stuff for the foreseeable...until the oil money runs out. [/QUOTE]
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