Hard work only beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Sort out the complacency in your own game instead of trying to change the rulebook to contrive success. A game based around territorial kicking will necessarily yield a whole load of possession to the opposition...if the opposition can't exploit that then it's their fault. No need for rule changes. And if, as people are saying, England's game is penalty based then it's only 'cause the opposition are second best around the ruck and so constantly infringe. Just changing the infringement rules or the consequences of them is wrong, wrong, wrong. The other teams need to live up to their own press rather than moaning and demanding rule changes on the shaky premise of entertainment value. They weren't strong enough to compete at the rucks and clinical enough to turn the opposing teams territorial kicks into scoring opportunities. Back to the gym and the training field not the drawing board. [/b][/quote] What? I'll bold it in case you missed it the first time - These rule's were being put in motion long before the World Cup It's not some big Southern Plot we cooked up overnight (as much as you might want it to be), these laws were on the drawing board around the time of the Lions series, and had already had a full season of testing by the time we romped through the North in 2006.