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<blockquote data-quote="Seaton" data-source="post: 432146" data-attributes="member: 64443"><p>@ Melhor Time</p><p></p><p>Okay, I'll start Mark Keohane, first of all, I don't do this lightly, but he is a grade A tool. Seriously, if he posted on forums, he'd be a shoe-in for Troll-of-the-year-award.</p><p>Take anything he says with a pinch, nae a spoon, maybe even an entire canister of salt. All he does is try stir up controversy, because paranoid south africans read he stuff, and he gets money, simple, effective 'journalism'.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, with the quotas. Now, as SavageLez elegantly put out, most SA ministers are unhappy with the rate of transformation in rugby, and moan about it. However, rugby provincial line-ups, and indeed Springbok line-ups, at all levels, have not been subject to any form of quotas since the start of PdV's reign (of terror, he he). You don't believe me? I know you like doing these things, so go and look up all of the Springbok teams since the start of the coach's tenure, and you find that the amount of coloured players fluctuates greatly, the thing you'll find constant though, or at least mostly, is the colour of the wingers, but no problem, coloured wings happen to be the best in the country, with the only none coloured wing with a patch on the others being 'Shadow' van de Heever.</p><p></p><p>There are more aspects to quotas, transformation officials care little for simply 'coloured' players, they care about ethnically black, SA born players. Then there are the official quotas, like in the National Netball championships, where teams must have a reasonably demographic look about them (I don't know the official requirements), and teams are 'rewarded' for meeting quotas, in that they are awarded extra points, whilst non-compliant opponents are not. There are many cases where sports bodies step in and say "Hey, you need more white/ Indian people in your team).</p><p></p><p>Last but not least, the selections. As you stated, they were made before the TN started, so you wouldn't have known about Bekker being ruled out of the World Cup.</p><p>I'd have Jean de Villiers or Juan de Jongh in for Wynand Olivier.</p><p>Unfortuanetly for SA, it looks as though the du Preez/ Pienaar combination just doesn't work, at this stage Butch James looks the best option, as I think it might be a bit of a risk giving Lambie all the duties of a fly-half in a WC. And imo, Jantjes is still to recapture the form he showed last year, been a bit inconsistent this season.</p><p>If he regains full fitness, I'd have Steenkamp starting ahead of Beast, I'd have CJ van de Linde on the bench and Jannie du Plessis at tighthead.</p><p>And finally, Juan Smith ahead of Schal Burger.</p><p>And you've gotta have Chilliboy, no one refers to him as 'Mahlaste'</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Seaton, post: 432146, member: 64443"] @ Melhor Time Okay, I'll start Mark Keohane, first of all, I don't do this lightly, but he is a grade A tool. Seriously, if he posted on forums, he'd be a shoe-in for Troll-of-the-year-award. Take anything he says with a pinch, nae a spoon, maybe even an entire canister of salt. All he does is try stir up controversy, because paranoid south africans read he stuff, and he gets money, simple, effective 'journalism'. Secondly, with the quotas. Now, as SavageLez elegantly put out, most SA ministers are unhappy with the rate of transformation in rugby, and moan about it. However, rugby provincial line-ups, and indeed Springbok line-ups, at all levels, have not been subject to any form of quotas since the start of PdV's reign (of terror, he he). You don't believe me? I know you like doing these things, so go and look up all of the Springbok teams since the start of the coach's tenure, and you find that the amount of coloured players fluctuates greatly, the thing you'll find constant though, or at least mostly, is the colour of the wingers, but no problem, coloured wings happen to be the best in the country, with the only none coloured wing with a patch on the others being 'Shadow' van de Heever. There are more aspects to quotas, transformation officials care little for simply 'coloured' players, they care about ethnically black, SA born players. Then there are the official quotas, like in the National Netball championships, where teams must have a reasonably demographic look about them (I don't know the official requirements), and teams are 'rewarded' for meeting quotas, in that they are awarded extra points, whilst non-compliant opponents are not. There are many cases where sports bodies step in and say "Hey, you need more white/ Indian people in your team). Last but not least, the selections. As you stated, they were made before the TN started, so you wouldn't have known about Bekker being ruled out of the World Cup. I'd have Jean de Villiers or Juan de Jongh in for Wynand Olivier. Unfortuanetly for SA, it looks as though the du Preez/ Pienaar combination just doesn't work, at this stage Butch James looks the best option, as I think it might be a bit of a risk giving Lambie all the duties of a fly-half in a WC. And imo, Jantjes is still to recapture the form he showed last year, been a bit inconsistent this season. If he regains full fitness, I'd have Steenkamp starting ahead of Beast, I'd have CJ van de Linde on the bench and Jannie du Plessis at tighthead. And finally, Juan Smith ahead of Schal Burger. And you've gotta have Chilliboy, no one refers to him as 'Mahlaste' [/QUOTE]
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