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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_heineken" data-source="post: 980506" data-attributes="member: 40658"><p>North Africa, where most of those countries are French colonies and even speak french instead of English. We shouldn't have relied on their vote, even though we are on the same continent. What was our downfall was Japan. Thinking that the newest addition to SR would be voting along with the SH nations who are all in the same tournament.</p><p></p><p>and [USER=39190]@TRF_stormer2010[/USER] - Rather stick with the devil you know, than the devil you don't. I'm under no illusion of the past and how we got fukked over. But I think that we are all past that, O'Neill is no longer part of RA and his schemes have proven to be less effective, plus NZRU have realised what an ally we are for them. I think there has been a lot more ubuntu than there were a while ago.</p><p></p><p>All this talk of us going to the NH is to me a bit premature and senseless. We are forgetting about 2 of the biggest leagues in the world in England and France, who isn't involved in the Pro14. Surely they will have something to say about our teams joining them in the EPCR?? Surely have that discussion first, see what the their opinion is on the matter before we even look at sending more teams up North. Plus the Kings and the Cheetahs need to improve in the NH. It's all fine and dandy that the Cheetahs can rack up over 40 points in Bloemfontein, but then can't manage to win their games in the NH. Our clubs/franchises will not perform better than in SR, and dare I say it, they might even perform worse.</p><p></p><p>Playing against English and French teams who are financially in a way better place than our teams, could become a very tough task.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_heineken, post: 980506, member: 40658"] North Africa, where most of those countries are French colonies and even speak french instead of English. We shouldn't have relied on their vote, even though we are on the same continent. What was our downfall was Japan. Thinking that the newest addition to SR would be voting along with the SH nations who are all in the same tournament. and [USER=39190]@TRF_stormer2010[/USER] - Rather stick with the devil you know, than the devil you don't. I'm under no illusion of the past and how we got fukked over. But I think that we are all past that, O'Neill is no longer part of RA and his schemes have proven to be less effective, plus NZRU have realised what an ally we are for them. I think there has been a lot more ubuntu than there were a while ago. All this talk of us going to the NH is to me a bit premature and senseless. We are forgetting about 2 of the biggest leagues in the world in England and France, who isn't involved in the Pro14. Surely they will have something to say about our teams joining them in the EPCR?? Surely have that discussion first, see what the their opinion is on the matter before we even look at sending more teams up North. Plus the Kings and the Cheetahs need to improve in the NH. It's all fine and dandy that the Cheetahs can rack up over 40 points in Bloemfontein, but then can't manage to win their games in the NH. Our clubs/franchises will not perform better than in SR, and dare I say it, they might even perform worse. Playing against English and French teams who are financially in a way better place than our teams, could become a very tough task. [/QUOTE]
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