Anyone watching?
Just saw Arg vs Samoa. We got a tad lucky here and there!
Just saw Arg vs Samoa. We got a tad lucky here and there!
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NZ fielding 8 players vs Australia...
https://www.facebook.com/TheRugbyBanterPage/videos/1298268113520365/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-zealand-sevens-team-after-eight-sydney-mixup
https://www.facebook.com/TheRugbyBanterPage/videos/1298268113520365/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-zealand-sevens-team-after-eight-sydney-mixup
Yep, which was immaterial on play as the player was leaving the field while on play. Not even Australia really care as it gave them an easier route to the finals. Bit of a gaff though.
So you were doing Australia a favour by disregarding the rules?
That's quite a judgement call.
That's quite a judgement call.
Yep, which has been backed by World Rugby with no disciplinary actions. World Rugby have also found that there it was an instance of multiple instances going wrong, rather than an intentional effort to field 8 players. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-zealand-sevens-team-after-eight-sydney-mixup
But keep the chip on your shoulder, it suits you,
Kindly elaborate if it's so obvious. How is it that the participation of 8 players, all of which either touched the ball or cleared a ruck, becomes immaterial? The play, in which all 8 players participated, directly or indirectly, ended up in a try.
And let's both have at the very least the decency of honesty. No disciplinary actions by WR ain't a guarantee.
If you can't have an adult conversation without going into those why don't we agree to block each other and avoid (ourselves and the rest) the problem. Not my preferred choice thou.
I do agree with the fact that the result should not change. Having said that, i believe it is naive to expect such a result to be taken seriously.
And let's both have at the very least the decency of honesty. No disciplinary actions by WR ain't a guarantee.
So it's ad hominem attacks now? Kinda expected more from a mod. I would be quite easy to return in kind, but i won't.
If you can't have an adult conversation without going into those why don't we agree to block each other and avoid (ourselves and the rest) the problem. Not my preferred choice thou.
I do agree with the fact that the result should not change. Having said that, i believe it is naive to expect such a result to be taken seriously.
It's really more of an observation that the vast majority of your posts in regards to NZ are negative.
It is not true that all players touched the ball or cleared the ruck while 8 players were fielded - the argument was that it potentially effected marking numbers in the defensive line. Looking at the Savea try he went through between a gap in which the D-line wasn't particularly stretched - which is why I say it is immaterial.
You seem to imply that it was an intentional tactic - which is seperate from World Rugby's stance which that it was the result of multiple parties.
As a mod I can't very well block members.
It is not true that all players touched the ball or cleared the ruck while 8 players were fielded - the argument was that it potentially effected marking numbers in the defensive line. Looking at the Savea try he went through between a gap in which the D-line wasn't particularly stretched - which is why I say it is immaterial.
You seem to imply that it was an intentional tactic - which is seperate from World Rugby's stance which that it was the result of multiple parties.
As a mod I can't very well block members.
BS, but as usual, judge and jury. You are right, everyone is wrong. Never concede an inch, regardless of what the facts state.
I can't help but wondering in what parallel universe i'm being biased against NZ when i have no problem admitting they are the best team on the planet, arguably in history.
This ain't war, it's a forum where people exchange opinions. Sometimes they disagree and when they do, some of them try to find a common ground or find out where the disagreement lies, and some others just resort to name calling. You are clearly part of the latter.
My comment, made no judgement call, yours did. That's the difference. My post was factual and i even took the time to post sources.
I find it comical that you, out of all posters, call me out for having a chip on my shoulder for stating a fact. Speaks volumes about your bias, which, oddly enough, you are unaware of.
But you've proven your stubbornness before and i don't expect you to be reasonable nor fair.
Calling an ad hominem attack "just an observation" after someone posted a fact is a sad euphemism. Sugar coat it the way you want. I posted a fact, you didn't like the fact and attacked me and not my fact. That is the textbook definition of ad hominem.
Which player/s, exactly, did not participate. Name/s please.
No, i do not. I have no evidence to suggest that and i have no doubt, whatsoever, that it was accidental.
Let's do a gentlemen's agreement to ignore each other. I've tried to level with you, be fair and patient, but you clearly have something personal against me, so lets be practical. I don't want to waste your time nor mine.
I've never had a post deleted nor cautioned for breaking the CoC, so i'm sure your interventions as a mod won't be needed. And there are other mods, course.
Again, not my preferred choice but given your stubbornness i don't see another option.
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Why Should NZ and their 7's team be disciplined for this??
Why didn't the referee (Craig Joubert) or his assistants on the sideline do a proper check like they're supposed to? Why is the finger only being pointed towards the team on the field.
Like Nick said it was multiple instances that went wrong. I personally think that this has more to do with WR and they should rather use these things in 7's to be better prepared for the Olympics.
Why didn't the referee (Craig Joubert) or his assistants on the sideline do a proper check like they're supposed to? Why is the finger only being pointed towards the team on the field.
Like Nick said it was multiple instances that went wrong. I personally think that this has more to do with WR and they should rather use these things in 7's to be better prepared for the Olympics.
I'm just scared if this type of thing carries on into the Olympics our inclusion might even do more harm than good to the sport. This is 2 from 2 tournaments this year with embarrassing finals. Rugby doesn't want to go into a first Olympic Tournament (after long exclusion) and look like a bunch of amateurs holding a lotto for Olympic gold.
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... no wonder you're concerned mate.......... 2 from 2 tournaments , RWC and Rugby Sevens where Joubert has made headlines for all the wrong reasons...and he's also going to Rio...
I was thinking Wellingon and Sydney and 7s specifically but you are right the final of 2011 was a tad controversial and there were issues with previous ones as well (1995, 2007.. all of them had a few dodgy calls/non-calls or whatever IMO) and 2015 had a few but I thnk the Semi's and final went the way they should've but 2011 and before with Joubert and teh rest for me that is history. 7's specifically shouldn't be seeing this type of issues the game is so much more basic than 15s is what I am getting at I suppose. I just can't see someone not associating with Rugby already watch a tournament where there are major questions relating to the legitimacy of finals outcomes and not be put off the game altogether considering Rugby as a sport is in competition with other sports as a product at the end of the day.
Because they broke the rules and benefited in doing so.
They way you phrase it it sounds as if you are looking at it as an "either/or" dilemma. It's not. People are pointing the finger at both officials and NZ (and Australia for not checking).
They do appear to be more directed at NZ, which is not fair.
You can very well discipline the team and talk about it with the officials.
No argument there.
A lot to address here:
First: You know man you are probably right. I shouldn't have said you had a chip on your shoulder - it was overly defensive and probably born from frustration that yet again I would be going through a thread where the only discussion point of entire 7s tournament - was what New Zealand apparently got away with (whether that was your intention or not). It happened last tournament with Wellington. It happened a lot last World Cup. It continues ad nauseam. So I apologize for being overly defensive. If there is any more issues you have in this matter please feel free to contact me via PM.
My moderation isn't in question: I haven't banned or abused my position as moderator for differences of opinion. You are welcome to try and prove me wrong on that point.
Ultimately I think everyone agrees that having 8 players on the field is bad for the sport; but with World Rugby's own guidelines on punishing teams it is for
Furthermore the punishment in game for such a misconduct is a penalty kick. Points are not retrospectively deducted for instances of not rolling away in a ruck. It is not an instance of dangerous play which would warrant citing. And even if you wanted to punish an individual, who would you punish if multiple parties including the referees are responsible for the error?
That was very mature of you. Fair enough. I stand corrected. My comment about you as a mod wasn't about you abusing your powers, but about setting an example, which you did in your last post.
