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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_heineken" data-source="post: 817477" data-attributes="member: 40658"><p>Hmmm...</p><p></p><p>I don't know why I should bother to respond to this as the OP is just barely cutting the surface. As we all know by now, this system is rotten from the top heading down to the bottom, and if anyone fails to see that, they are either an ANC supporter with racist views, or an uneducated bigot.</p><p></p><p>Now let's pull this out to illustrate.</p><p></p><p>The Bok squad that toured Australasia:</p><p></p><p>Forwards: Lourens Adriaanse, Lood de Jager, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Eben Etzebeth, Steven Kitshoff, Vincent Koch, Jaco Kriel, Francois Louw, Malcolm Marx, Bongi Mbonambi, Oupa Mohoje, Franco Mostert, Tendai Mtawarira, Trevor Nyakane, Adriaan Strauss (captain), Warren Whiteley</p><p></p><p>Backs: Damian de Allende, Juan de Jongh, Faf de Klerk, Johan Goosen, Bryan Habana, Francois Hougaard, Elton Jantjies, Jesse Kriel, Lionel Mapoe, Lwazi Mvovo, Rudy Paige, Morne Steyn</p><p></p><p>So out of the 31 players we have, Oupa Mohoje, Bongi Mbonambi, Tendai Mtawarira, Trevor Nyakane, Damian De Allende, Juan De Jongh, Bryan Habana, Elton Jantjies, Lionel Mapoe, Lwazi Mvovo and Rudy Paige.</p><p></p><p>that is 11 out of 31! That is 35% of the team. Now if we look at those players individually:</p><p></p><p>1. Mohoje is a clear cut quota player, and keeping out many of our best flankers out of the squad. We had to even go the route of playing Pieter-Steph Du Toit at flanker, after we all saw what a balls-up that was at the World Cup last year. Flanker is the one position we have an abundance of top quality players.</p><p></p><p>2. Beast Mtawarira, some might say he doesn't qualify as a quota because he comes from Zimbabwe, but I'm inclined to think we have long passed that notion about him. Props like Kitshoff, and so many others who dominated overseas based teams in the Super Rugby, are overlooked, While Beast, who is just like Strauss, past his prime and just a pedestrian at the moment.</p><p></p><p>3. Trevor Nyakane, Definitely a quota selection. He was injured at the end of Super Rugby, then when he recovered he played a measly 12 minutes for the Blue Bulls before being called up for the Springboks. He is terribly out of form, so much so that he was released to play for the Blue Bulls this Friday in the Currie Cup, but the Bulls coach omitted him from the team as he's not fit enough (Something he has been struggling with over the last 2 years).</p><p></p><p>4. Bongi Mbonambi, He has been the seat warmer. It's clear that AC doesn't really want to play him, and that he's keeping out Marx, who everyone is raving about as the next Bismarck Du Plessis. Hell, he even kept out Bismarck from being called up before his injury.</p><p></p><p>5. Damian De Allende and Juan De Jongh - Now perhaps I'm overcritical here, but I think most of us will agree that the 2 best centres in SA rugby that is on form, is playing Currie Cup at the moment in Rohan Janse van Rensburg and Francois Venter. Not only have they kept their amazing form going from Super Rugby into Currie Cup, they both recovered from injuries, and still play amazing rugby. They are hungry, in form, young! De Allende is neither in form nor hungry, and his petty remarks on twitter shows me he has a poor attitude too. De Jongh has been out of the XV's game for a while, and perhaps it was unfair of AC drafting him in so early, he had no chance to transition back into XV's after the Rio Olympics.</p><p></p><p>6. Bryan Habana & Lwazi Mvovo, again out of form, and IMO a placeholder for better players. Ruan Combrink, Courtnall Skosan, Seabelo Senatla, Sergeal Peterson & Leolin Zas are all in better form, and more hungry. Here though I don't think they are so much a quota selection.</p><p></p><p>7. Elton Jantjies, I think the past 5 matches speak for themselves.</p><p></p><p>8. Rudy Paige, He was the quota selection at the World Cup and has been one ever since. He toured, but wasn't even in the matchday 23 in either the Aus and NZ matches. He was also released back to the Blue Bulls for this weekend, and he was also omitted for Friday's game. Hougaard is clearly AC's better choice behind Faf (or maybe even first choice now). When Reinach is back to his old self, he's a shoe-in to replace Paige.</p><p></p><p>Now this is just at Springbok level. If we move down to Super Rugby, Currie Cup, U/20 Springboks, Craven Week and so on, This list will just intensify by at least threefold on how players of colour are not necessarily selected because of talent but purely because of skin colour.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_heineken, post: 817477, member: 40658"] Hmmm... I don't know why I should bother to respond to this as the OP is just barely cutting the surface. As we all know by now, this system is rotten from the top heading down to the bottom, and if anyone fails to see that, they are either an ANC supporter with racist views, or an uneducated bigot. Now let's pull this out to illustrate. The Bok squad that toured Australasia: Forwards: Lourens Adriaanse, Lood de Jager, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Eben Etzebeth, Steven Kitshoff, Vincent Koch, Jaco Kriel, Francois Louw, Malcolm Marx, Bongi Mbonambi, Oupa Mohoje, Franco Mostert, Tendai Mtawarira, Trevor Nyakane, Adriaan Strauss (captain), Warren Whiteley Backs: Damian de Allende, Juan de Jongh, Faf de Klerk, Johan Goosen, Bryan Habana, Francois Hougaard, Elton Jantjies, Jesse Kriel, Lionel Mapoe, Lwazi Mvovo, Rudy Paige, Morne Steyn So out of the 31 players we have, Oupa Mohoje, Bongi Mbonambi, Tendai Mtawarira, Trevor Nyakane, Damian De Allende, Juan De Jongh, Bryan Habana, Elton Jantjies, Lionel Mapoe, Lwazi Mvovo and Rudy Paige. that is 11 out of 31! That is 35% of the team. Now if we look at those players individually: 1. Mohoje is a clear cut quota player, and keeping out many of our best flankers out of the squad. We had to even go the route of playing Pieter-Steph Du Toit at flanker, after we all saw what a balls-up that was at the World Cup last year. Flanker is the one position we have an abundance of top quality players. 2. Beast Mtawarira, some might say he doesn't qualify as a quota because he comes from Zimbabwe, but I'm inclined to think we have long passed that notion about him. Props like Kitshoff, and so many others who dominated overseas based teams in the Super Rugby, are overlooked, While Beast, who is just like Strauss, past his prime and just a pedestrian at the moment. 3. Trevor Nyakane, Definitely a quota selection. He was injured at the end of Super Rugby, then when he recovered he played a measly 12 minutes for the Blue Bulls before being called up for the Springboks. He is terribly out of form, so much so that he was released to play for the Blue Bulls this Friday in the Currie Cup, but the Bulls coach omitted him from the team as he's not fit enough (Something he has been struggling with over the last 2 years). 4. Bongi Mbonambi, He has been the seat warmer. It's clear that AC doesn't really want to play him, and that he's keeping out Marx, who everyone is raving about as the next Bismarck Du Plessis. Hell, he even kept out Bismarck from being called up before his injury. 5. Damian De Allende and Juan De Jongh - Now perhaps I'm overcritical here, but I think most of us will agree that the 2 best centres in SA rugby that is on form, is playing Currie Cup at the moment in Rohan Janse van Rensburg and Francois Venter. Not only have they kept their amazing form going from Super Rugby into Currie Cup, they both recovered from injuries, and still play amazing rugby. They are hungry, in form, young! De Allende is neither in form nor hungry, and his petty remarks on twitter shows me he has a poor attitude too. De Jongh has been out of the XV's game for a while, and perhaps it was unfair of AC drafting him in so early, he had no chance to transition back into XV's after the Rio Olympics. 6. Bryan Habana & Lwazi Mvovo, again out of form, and IMO a placeholder for better players. Ruan Combrink, Courtnall Skosan, Seabelo Senatla, Sergeal Peterson & Leolin Zas are all in better form, and more hungry. Here though I don't think they are so much a quota selection. 7. Elton Jantjies, I think the past 5 matches speak for themselves. 8. Rudy Paige, He was the quota selection at the World Cup and has been one ever since. He toured, but wasn't even in the matchday 23 in either the Aus and NZ matches. He was also released back to the Blue Bulls for this weekend, and he was also omitted for Friday's game. Hougaard is clearly AC's better choice behind Faf (or maybe even first choice now). When Reinach is back to his old self, he's a shoe-in to replace Paige. Now this is just at Springbok level. If we move down to Super Rugby, Currie Cup, U/20 Springboks, Craven Week and so on, This list will just intensify by at least threefold on how players of colour are not necessarily selected because of talent but purely because of skin colour. [/QUOTE]
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