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<blockquote data-quote="Bruce_ma gooshvili" data-source="post: 818205" data-attributes="member: 74121"><p>That is a fair point, and exactly the sort of article that adds to discussion on this topic (I can imagine a scenario where the Sports Minister comes under increased pressure to implement quotas in the future as a political sop to the ANC's political base). But to flip it round, if quotas were in place, and current team selections were not on merit, then the sports minister would have no reason to take this action. So this arguably is a further sign either that:</p><p></p><p>a) quotas are not in place for the Springboks </p><p>OR</p><p>b) if there are quotas, the SARU are electing not to implement them, either in full or in part.</p><p></p><p>Either way, there is a good chance there are no quotas actively in place with the national team.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, as per my above post, there is a suggestion that coaching selection may be limited due to reduced funding. As with other problems in SA rugby, I'd argue that it may also be to do with economics, rather than race. Maybe Mr Stick is getting paid one sixth of a white coach? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />p sorry, couldn't resist - not a serious point and I fully appreciate that economic disparities don't disappear overnight)</p><p></p><p><u></u></p><p><u>Quotas in Super Rugby</u></p><p></p><p>In other news, I focus on the international side because it is the one that is easiest to observe. So I took my search elsewhere to see if I could find solid evidence of specific quotas (rather than targets). I have read comments that the Lions have very limited numbers of "non-white" players too, indicating perhaps that quotas are also not in place in Super Rugby and that player selection there is based on merit. Summed up neatly by this headline:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/82770985/Super-Rugby-Team-Talk-Lions-wouldn-t-meet-quota-Highlanders-face-messy-period" target="_blank">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/82770985/Super-Rugby-Team-Talk-Lions-wouldn-t-meet-quota-Highlanders-face-messy-period</a></p><p></p><p><em>"That's simply because, under the push for transformation, they do not have enough players of colour; just three in the starting side and one on the bench (13 per cent of the 23 man squad) that rolled the Highlanders last week."</em></p><p></p><p>I think that website is hopelessly confused or mistaken on the matter of SA quotas I might add, but it was the first article I could find to reinforce my point that quotas clearly don't appear to have been in force in Super Rugby last season.</p><p></p><p>Some argued above that, if quotas or change is to be implemented, it must come from the bottom and youth / age group rugby rather than from the top down. Well, the bottom up seems to be the only place where quotas can be happening from what I am seeing so far as Super Rugby and now Test Rugby have teams that are clearly in breach of any alleged quota.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bruce_ma gooshvili, post: 818205, member: 74121"] That is a fair point, and exactly the sort of article that adds to discussion on this topic (I can imagine a scenario where the Sports Minister comes under increased pressure to implement quotas in the future as a political sop to the ANC's political base). But to flip it round, if quotas were in place, and current team selections were not on merit, then the sports minister would have no reason to take this action. So this arguably is a further sign either that: a) quotas are not in place for the Springboks OR b) if there are quotas, the SARU are electing not to implement them, either in full or in part. Either way, there is a good chance there are no quotas actively in place with the national team. Yes, as per my above post, there is a suggestion that coaching selection may be limited due to reduced funding. As with other problems in SA rugby, I'd argue that it may also be to do with economics, rather than race. Maybe Mr Stick is getting paid one sixth of a white coach? (:p sorry, couldn't resist - not a serious point and I fully appreciate that economic disparities don't disappear overnight) [U] Quotas in Super Rugby[/U] In other news, I focus on the international side because it is the one that is easiest to observe. So I took my search elsewhere to see if I could find solid evidence of specific quotas (rather than targets). I have read comments that the Lions have very limited numbers of "non-white" players too, indicating perhaps that quotas are also not in place in Super Rugby and that player selection there is based on merit. Summed up neatly by this headline: [url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/82770985/Super-Rugby-Team-Talk-Lions-wouldn-t-meet-quota-Highlanders-face-messy-period[/url] [I]"That's simply because, under the push for transformation, they do not have enough players of colour; just three in the starting side and one on the bench (13 per cent of the 23 man squad) that rolled the Highlanders last week."[/I] I think that website is hopelessly confused or mistaken on the matter of SA quotas I might add, but it was the first article I could find to reinforce my point that quotas clearly don't appear to have been in force in Super Rugby last season. Some argued above that, if quotas or change is to be implemented, it must come from the bottom and youth / age group rugby rather than from the top down. Well, the bottom up seems to be the only place where quotas can be happening from what I am seeing so far as Super Rugby and now Test Rugby have teams that are clearly in breach of any alleged quota. [/QUOTE]
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