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<blockquote data-quote="User1245" data-source="post: 940636" data-attributes="member: 40986"><p>What people don't seem to take into account is like Heineken mentioned there once was a time when apartheid didn't exist. South Africa deals with the same issues as other African countries: before, during and after apartheid.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For example this is the traditional practice of the largest ethnic group in South Africa:</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]0gyKWYb_OXw[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Think about what difference emerge from that compared to your typical Western marriage.</p><p></p><p>Now think how those kinds of differences manifest when you start getting into top of competitive school rugby when most parents start taking an active role in carting their children back and forth from trials and sports days, and then <a href="https://www.iol.co.za/news/opinion/black-parents-too-busy-working-to-cheer-for-their-children-8194671" target="_blank">attending these sports days</a>.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying it's objectively wrong or right either way but it needs to be considered if we're being intellectually honest.</p><p></p><p>This is what the dogmatic equal of outcome activists from first world countries don't get. Differences in cultures create differences in group outcomes. Sometimes it's nobody's fault that some groups are over represented in certain areas. It happens, and it happens everywhere for multiple reasons. And we sure as hell don't need the government to come in and tell people how they should live their lives when people have equal opportunity.</p><p></p><p>It's not a coincidence that the Blitzboks have a bigger black representation than the Boks. This claimed institutionalized racism within rugby doesn't suddenly suspend itself for that team. Your average Afrikaner is larger than your average Bantu African. Afrikaners will ALWAYS dominate the lock position and Bantu Africans with dominate the wings. Your Eben Etzebeth's and Bismarck du Plessis' of rugby will typically come from Afrikaners and your Aphiwe Dyantyi's and S'bu Nkosi's of rugby will typically come from Bantu Africans. </p><p></p><p>South Africa had the extra factor of apartheid which gets flogged more than it should especially these days. I have faith in the common sense of your average South African so that article which Heineken shared doesn't surprise me. All evidence points to your every day South African just wanting the best team to be out there. Nobody is in disagreement that we should be expanding the game at a grassroots level.</p><p></p><p>It's the ANC government and the spineless World Rugby that are keeping this worthless and divisive bottom down approach alive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="User1245, post: 940636, member: 40986"] What people don't seem to take into account is like Heineken mentioned there once was a time when apartheid didn't exist. South Africa deals with the same issues as other African countries: before, during and after apartheid. For example this is the traditional practice of the largest ethnic group in South Africa: [MEDIA=youtube]0gyKWYb_OXw[/MEDIA] Think about what difference emerge from that compared to your typical Western marriage. Now think how those kinds of differences manifest when you start getting into top of competitive school rugby when most parents start taking an active role in carting their children back and forth from trials and sports days, and then [URL='https://www.iol.co.za/news/opinion/black-parents-too-busy-working-to-cheer-for-their-children-8194671']attending these sports days[/URL]. I'm not saying it's objectively wrong or right either way but it needs to be considered if we're being intellectually honest. This is what the dogmatic equal of outcome activists from first world countries don't get. Differences in cultures create differences in group outcomes. Sometimes it's nobody's fault that some groups are over represented in certain areas. It happens, and it happens everywhere for multiple reasons. And we sure as hell don't need the government to come in and tell people how they should live their lives when people have equal opportunity. It's not a coincidence that the Blitzboks have a bigger black representation than the Boks. This claimed institutionalized racism within rugby doesn't suddenly suspend itself for that team. Your average Afrikaner is larger than your average Bantu African. Afrikaners will ALWAYS dominate the lock position and Bantu Africans with dominate the wings. Your Eben Etzebeth's and Bismarck du Plessis' of rugby will typically come from Afrikaners and your Aphiwe Dyantyi's and S'bu Nkosi's of rugby will typically come from Bantu Africans. South Africa had the extra factor of apartheid which gets flogged more than it should especially these days. I have faith in the common sense of your average South African so that article which Heineken shared doesn't surprise me. All evidence points to your every day South African just wanting the best team to be out there. Nobody is in disagreement that we should be expanding the game at a grassroots level. It's the ANC government and the spineless World Rugby that are keeping this worthless and divisive bottom down approach alive. [/QUOTE]
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