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<blockquote data-quote="Fred187" data-source="post: 236918"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Jan 9 2009, 09:28 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=370115" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>I disagree completely; the right side and the wrong side became clear as soon as the whole conflict began in the late 40s. The simple fact of the matter is, there used to exist a nation called Palestine. Some British (ashamedly, a Scotsman) zionist conservative politician decides that should be the homeland for the Jews, so he gives the many other zionists the needed support to make that happen, allowing them to throw out the native peoples and declare the land to be 'Israel'. It's pretty black and white - they stole the land from it's natives, and have been opressing them ever since. The only reason people don't see it like that is because they are blind-sided by distaste for anti-semitism and 'terrorists'.</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p>You have shown your short-sighted ignorance once again.This conflict has gone on since ancient times, it didnt start in the late 40`s. Judea(the home of the Jews) was invaded by the romans and re-named Palestine. The Arabs then conquered this land and ruled for the next 1000 years.It goes on and on and both sides have a claim to the land. Nothing will ever be sorted out unless its done peacefully and they are prepared to live together. </p><p>You stupidly saying Israel: Bad Palestinians : Good shows how small minded and daft you and your sixth form mates are.</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>'My sixth form mates'!? What are you on?</p><p></p><p>Moreover, I simply don't agree that you can bring up the history of over 1000 years ago and use it as a reason to do anything - if that was legitimate, then anyone of Saxon descent could decide to kick out everybody of Norman descent, would that be fair? History is only entirely relavent in modern issues (other than as a tool for learning) withing living memory. 60 years is very much living memory; 1000 years is not.</p><p></p><p>I completely agree that a peaceful solution would be great, but that's the responsibility of Israel - the perpatrators - and not Palestine - the victims.</p><p></p><p>Also, you have failed to respond to a single one of my questions or points. I take it that you are unable rather than unwilling. All you seem to come up with is 'you don't know your facts' - you haven't actually provided any relevant ones yourself. As I said, just telling somebody 'you're wrong' and 'you're lying' isn't an arguement.</p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LeksoRugby @ Jan 10 2009, 02:51 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=370152" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>I'd like to agree with you, and I have no problem with anybody disagreeing with anything or everything I say. But when somebody acuses me of lying (as Danny has several times), I'm simply not going to sit back and take it.</p><p></p><p>Not only that, but he has committed (again, several times) the two things in the world that I view as completely intolerable - racism and hypocrisy.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Fred187, post: 236918"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Jan 9 2009, 09:28 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=370115']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> I disagree completely; the right side and the wrong side became clear as soon as the whole conflict began in the late 40s. The simple fact of the matter is, there used to exist a nation called Palestine. Some British (ashamedly, a Scotsman) zionist conservative politician decides that should be the homeland for the Jews, so he gives the many other zionists the needed support to make that happen, allowing them to throw out the native peoples and declare the land to be 'Israel'. It's pretty black and white - they stole the land from it's natives, and have been opressing them ever since. The only reason people don't see it like that is because they are blind-sided by distaste for anti-semitism and 'terrorists'. [/b][/quote] You have shown your short-sighted ignorance once again.This conflict has gone on since ancient times, it didnt start in the late 40`s. Judea(the home of the Jews) was invaded by the romans and re-named Palestine. The Arabs then conquered this land and ruled for the next 1000 years.It goes on and on and both sides have a claim to the land. Nothing will ever be sorted out unless its done peacefully and they are prepared to live together. You stupidly saying Israel: Bad Palestinians : Good shows how small minded and daft you and your sixth form mates are. [/b][/quote] 'My sixth form mates'!? What are you on? Moreover, I simply don't agree that you can bring up the history of over 1000 years ago and use it as a reason to do anything - if that was legitimate, then anyone of Saxon descent could decide to kick out everybody of Norman descent, would that be fair? History is only entirely relavent in modern issues (other than as a tool for learning) withing living memory. 60 years is very much living memory; 1000 years is not. I completely agree that a peaceful solution would be great, but that's the responsibility of Israel - the perpatrators - and not Palestine - the victims. Also, you have failed to respond to a single one of my questions or points. I take it that you are unable rather than unwilling. All you seem to come up with is 'you don't know your facts' - you haven't actually provided any relevant ones yourself. As I said, just telling somebody 'you're wrong' and 'you're lying' isn't an arguement. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LeksoRugby @ Jan 10 2009, 02:51 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=370152']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> I'd like to agree with you, and I have no problem with anybody disagreeing with anything or everything I say. But when somebody acuses me of lying (as Danny has several times), I'm simply not going to sit back and take it. Not only that, but he has committed (again, several times) the two things in the world that I view as completely intolerable - racism and hypocrisy. [/QUOTE]
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