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<blockquote data-quote="Fred187" data-source="post: 237394"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Enguelaz @ Jan 13 2009, 11:19 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=370609" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>How can you be so sure of this? Would you have sources of information we don't have access to? Please share them.</p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canadian_Rugger @ Jan 13 2009, 03:17 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=370561" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p><strong>You're right. The western world has too much to lose if they were to attack Israel and as you say, there would be too many human casualties. but also the U.S wouldn't be too happy to bomb and destroy their own tanks, planes and other weaponry.</strong></p><p></p><p>We all know Israel is a fairly small country, but what people do not know much is that Israel has the 6th or 7th most powerful army in the WORLD, which makes it easily the most powerful army in the middle east now that Irak as been colonised.</p><p></p><p>but wait, there's also this:</p><p></p><p>"According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel possesses around 75â€"200 nuclear weapons. Imagery analysts can identify weapon bunkers, mobile missile launchers, and launch sites in satellite photographs. Israel may have tested a nuclear weapon along with South Africa in 1979, but this has never been confirmed (see Vela Incident).</p><p></p><p>On May 26, 2008, ex-US president Jimmy Carter stated that Israel has "150 or more nuclear warheads" at a press conference at the annual literary Hay festival in Wales."</p><p></p><p>So yeah, for sure, no one is going to f#ck with Israel, which lead me to the conclusion that Hamas:</p><p></p><p>- either don't know what we know but i doubt it,</p><p>- are completely out of their mind and are going for the suicidal tactics, which wouldn't be surprising, any fanatic of any confession would consider suicide if it serves their purpose... (but what purpose? being annihilated?)</p><p>- or this war has got an other purpose or even is a decoy... but this we'll never really know.</p><p></p><p>When you start digging the newspapers on Israel's activity you start to find interesting things like this:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21170999-2703,00.html" target="_blank">Mossad 'hit' on Iranian nuke scientist</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/washington/11iran.html" target="_blank">U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site </a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20081216.aspx" target="_blank">Israel And Iran Scramble In The Shadows</a></p><p></p><p>Funny how they want to keep their nuclear program secret but are trying to do anything in their power to stop Iran doing the same thing they do...</p><p></p><p>I guess what i am trying to say is: Just don't look at the face value of this war, but also consider the causes and most importantly the consequences of this war on the middle east.</p><p></p><p>No wonder why most people (me included) understand nothing to this war. I mean, come on, it has been going on for about 50 years... if there was ever a chance of peace, they'd have found it by now don't you think?</p><p></p><p>So are they fighting until one or the other completely disappears? Is it a hardcore "team deathmatch"? for what purpose? Hamas knows they have no chance to withstand Isreal's firepower... is it for territory? Israel already took over 95% of Palestine and again, Hamas do not have the means to take back territory by force...</p><p></p><p>Is it about Ideology, a Holly War? most people would think so... but then again, for example, how come there are more than 20.000 jewish living in Iran, and they seem to do just fine in a country "ranked in the top 5" "bad guys" on this planet.</p><p></p><p>Why, despite all the sweet talking of the politics all around the world, does the UN and the powers that be take no action to stop ONCE AND FOR ALL Hamas firing rockets at Israel and stop Israel breaching international laws and bombing the sh*t out Gaza.</p><p></p><p>So ask yourself this question: What the hell is really going on out there?</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>They didn't mind at all in Iraq (for anyone who isn't aware, the US supplied Saddam with many of his weapons). But I agree - I just can't see international military action against Israel as something very likely to happen anytime soon. Probably just some meaningless U.N. sanctions - just like the League of Nations during the buildup to the Second World War...</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Fred187, post: 237394"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Enguelaz @ Jan 13 2009, 11:19 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=370609']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> How can you be so sure of this? Would you have sources of information we don't have access to? Please share them. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canadian_Rugger @ Jan 13 2009, 03:17 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=370561']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> [b]You're right. The western world has too much to lose if they were to attack Israel and as you say, there would be too many human casualties. but also the U.S wouldn't be too happy to bomb and destroy their own tanks, planes and other weaponry.[/b] We all know Israel is a fairly small country, but what people do not know much is that Israel has the 6th or 7th most powerful army in the WORLD, which makes it easily the most powerful army in the middle east now that Irak as been colonised. but wait, there's also this: "According to the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Federation of American Scientists, Israel possesses around 75–200 nuclear weapons. Imagery analysts can identify weapon bunkers, mobile missile launchers, and launch sites in satellite photographs. Israel may have tested a nuclear weapon along with South Africa in 1979, but this has never been confirmed (see Vela Incident). On May 26, 2008, ex-US president Jimmy Carter stated that Israel has "150 or more nuclear warheads" at a press conference at the annual literary Hay festival in Wales." So yeah, for sure, no one is going to f#ck with Israel, which lead me to the conclusion that Hamas: - either don't know what we know but i doubt it, - are completely out of their mind and are going for the suicidal tactics, which wouldn't be surprising, any fanatic of any confession would consider suicide if it serves their purpose... (but what purpose? being annihilated?) - or this war has got an other purpose or even is a decoy... but this we'll never really know. When you start digging the newspapers on Israel's activity you start to find interesting things like this: [url="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21170999-2703,00.html"]Mossad 'hit' on Iranian nuke scientist[/url] [url="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/washington/11iran.html"]U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site [/url] [url="http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20081216.aspx"]Israel And Iran Scramble In The Shadows[/url] Funny how they want to keep their nuclear program secret but are trying to do anything in their power to stop Iran doing the same thing they do... I guess what i am trying to say is: Just don't look at the face value of this war, but also consider the causes and most importantly the consequences of this war on the middle east. No wonder why most people (me included) understand nothing to this war. I mean, come on, it has been going on for about 50 years... if there was ever a chance of peace, they'd have found it by now don't you think? So are they fighting until one or the other completely disappears? Is it a hardcore "team deathmatch"? for what purpose? Hamas knows they have no chance to withstand Isreal's firepower... is it for territory? Israel already took over 95% of Palestine and again, Hamas do not have the means to take back territory by force... Is it about Ideology, a Holly War? most people would think so... but then again, for example, how come there are more than 20.000 jewish living in Iran, and they seem to do just fine in a country "ranked in the top 5" "bad guys" on this planet. Why, despite all the sweet talking of the politics all around the world, does the UN and the powers that be take no action to stop ONCE AND FOR ALL Hamas firing rockets at Israel and stop Israel breaching international laws and bombing the sh*t out Gaza. So ask yourself this question: What the hell is really going on out there? [/b][/quote] They didn't mind at all in Iraq (for anyone who isn't aware, the US supplied Saddam with many of his weapons). But I agree - I just can't see international military action against Israel as something very likely to happen anytime soon. Probably just some meaningless U.N. sanctions - just like the League of Nations during the buildup to the Second World War... [/QUOTE]
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