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<blockquote data-quote="Vieux Talonneur" data-source="post: 769264" data-attributes="member: 73144"><p>I actually think England's problems run deeper than many are saying. A change of coach will improve some things as will smarter selection. But as Brian Moore observes in the Torygraph..... </p><p></p><p>"Having spoken to many former All Blacks over the past seven weeks, two things were common in their explanation of New Zealand's success. First was early inculcation of handling and running skills above anything else. Second was the fact that all of their domestic game is purposely designed for the international side to succeed. The priorities of clubs and provinces are sacrificed for the greater good".</p><p></p><p>The latter hits the nail on the head. We can have all the JRWC winners we like, but put them into the club based treadmill of league rugby and Euro competition and we'll keep churning out the same underwhelming results. The domestic games of NZ, AUS and SA are all Super franchise based, the Argies who have no domestic game to speak of are heading that way too. Ire, Wal and Scots internationals are pretty much all in regional set ups. Which of the quarter finalists just leaves France with a similar league system to ours. And we saw what happened to them.</p><p></p><p>I love our league set up, but it's heading the same way as football, with the national team interests secondary at best. If we're serious about challenging for RWCs we have to change both structure and on field mindsets. Otherwise we're reliant on the accident of birth of a golden generation; in my dotage (a few years yet!) I really don't want to look at 2003 in the same light as 1966. We can't win them all, but we can regularly be in the mix.</p><p></p><p>Oh and while the ABs transition period may involve a few defeats my money's that there won't be many and none will be hammerings. They won't fall off a cliff edge as Eng did post 03. Why? Because they've planned it that way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vieux Talonneur, post: 769264, member: 73144"] I actually think England's problems run deeper than many are saying. A change of coach will improve some things as will smarter selection. But as Brian Moore observes in the Torygraph..... "Having spoken to many former All Blacks over the past seven weeks, two things were common in their explanation of New Zealand’s success. First was early inculcation of handling and running skills above anything else. Second was the fact that all of their domestic game is purposely designed for the international side to succeed. The priorities of clubs and provinces are sacrificed for the greater good". The latter hits the nail on the head. We can have all the JRWC winners we like, but put them into the club based treadmill of league rugby and Euro competition and we'll keep churning out the same underwhelming results. The domestic games of NZ, AUS and SA are all Super franchise based, the Argies who have no domestic game to speak of are heading that way too. Ire, Wal and Scots internationals are pretty much all in regional set ups. Which of the quarter finalists just leaves France with a similar league system to ours. And we saw what happened to them. I love our league set up, but it's heading the same way as football, with the national team interests secondary at best. If we're serious about challenging for RWCs we have to change both structure and on field mindsets. Otherwise we're reliant on the accident of birth of a golden generation; in my dotage (a few years yet!) I really don't want to look at 2003 in the same light as 1966. We can't win them all, but we can regularly be in the mix. Oh and while the ABs transition period may involve a few defeats my money's that there won't be many and none will be hammerings. They won't fall off a cliff edge as Eng did post 03. Why? Because they've planned it that way. [/QUOTE]
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