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<blockquote data-quote="Leinster Fan" data-source="post: 1065596" data-attributes="member: 76349"><p>Would have to agree with others, I'd date the slog from 7-10 but Knife of Dreams (11) and the Sanderson books are brilliant and well worth the read. </p><p></p><p>I have mixed feelings about the Wheel of Time. I recognise its place within the fantasy pantheon and think it did a lot to drag fantasy into out of the long post-Tolkien slump, and absolutely tore through the books when I read them. I was in my early teens, so would have been slightly younger than most reading them, no idea what effect that had on my enjoyment. I do remember even at that age thinking that the general depiction of women and the writing of the female characters wasn't up to par, and looking back on it now that's only increased. But equally, some of the books really aren't very good and even the good ones have their issues. Even those it's a good while now since I read them I'd have limited interest in ever attempting a reread. I think now that I'm older I've learned that even the better books weren't really my style.</p><p></p><p>As for the show, I'm pretty impressed so far. The first episode obviously suffered in the editing room but I enjoyed it and since then it's clearly improved episode on episode. I've only seen up to episode 3 and the consensus both from friends and the internet is that this improvement continues. After an initial mixed reaction it does seem to be picking up a decent bit of positive buzz too. </p><p></p><p>As others have said, the plot of the first book is significantly less interesting than those the follow so there's a lot of potential for improvement for the show as well. Although I do think you can get away with cliches and more generic plotlines to a greater extent on screen than in books so that impact might be limited. </p><p></p><p>The question of how the show/books fit together in terms of seasons is an interesting one since it obviously won't be a simple 1 to 1 formula. 2 and 3 being combined potentially is a good call. That would work out at 5 seasons by the end of book 6, which seems fair. After that it gets tricky, especially since so much of the plot of 7-10 is needless bloat, how much they cut out will have an impact on how the remaining content gets divided up. At a minimum, the Perrin/Faile/Seanchan kidnapping arc will be the first to go. The bit about Elayne and the Andor throne is should be out too. Neither are relevant to the broader plot and are really only there so Perrin and Elayne have something to do while the rest of the main cast (slowly) further the plot. </p><p></p><p>A more radical but probably needed step is to at least shorten but maybe cut Ebou Dar and the Seanchan. Would probably involve a bit of plot reorganising and but will need to happen anyway and they aren't anyone's favourite bit anyway. At the very least don't leave Mat there. Reading through plot summaries for those books, the Rand stuff and the cleansing of the taint is all that really needs to happen. To be honest, most of those books just need to be cut and have the important stuff added in to the parts that precede and follow it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leinster Fan, post: 1065596, member: 76349"] Would have to agree with others, I'd date the slog from 7-10 but Knife of Dreams (11) and the Sanderson books are brilliant and well worth the read. I have mixed feelings about the Wheel of Time. I recognise its place within the fantasy pantheon and think it did a lot to drag fantasy into out of the long post-Tolkien slump, and absolutely tore through the books when I read them. I was in my early teens, so would have been slightly younger than most reading them, no idea what effect that had on my enjoyment. I do remember even at that age thinking that the general depiction of women and the writing of the female characters wasn't up to par, and looking back on it now that's only increased. But equally, some of the books really aren't very good and even the good ones have their issues. Even those it's a good while now since I read them I'd have limited interest in ever attempting a reread. I think now that I'm older I've learned that even the better books weren't really my style. As for the show, I'm pretty impressed so far. The first episode obviously suffered in the editing room but I enjoyed it and since then it's clearly improved episode on episode. I've only seen up to episode 3 and the consensus both from friends and the internet is that this improvement continues. After an initial mixed reaction it does seem to be picking up a decent bit of positive buzz too. As others have said, the plot of the first book is significantly less interesting than those the follow so there's a lot of potential for improvement for the show as well. Although I do think you can get away with cliches and more generic plotlines to a greater extent on screen than in books so that impact might be limited. The question of how the show/books fit together in terms of seasons is an interesting one since it obviously won't be a simple 1 to 1 formula. 2 and 3 being combined potentially is a good call. That would work out at 5 seasons by the end of book 6, which seems fair. After that it gets tricky, especially since so much of the plot of 7-10 is needless bloat, how much they cut out will have an impact on how the remaining content gets divided up. At a minimum, the Perrin/Faile/Seanchan kidnapping arc will be the first to go. The bit about Elayne and the Andor throne is should be out too. Neither are relevant to the broader plot and are really only there so Perrin and Elayne have something to do while the rest of the main cast (slowly) further the plot. A more radical but probably needed step is to at least shorten but maybe cut Ebou Dar and the Seanchan. Would probably involve a bit of plot reorganising and but will need to happen anyway and they aren't anyone's favourite bit anyway. At the very least don't leave Mat there. Reading through plot summaries for those books, the Rand stuff and the cleansing of the taint is all that really needs to happen. To be honest, most of those books just need to be cut and have the important stuff added in to the parts that precede and follow it. [/QUOTE]
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