Worst International Coach ever

[An Tarbh]

they're blazers, how much do they really know about rugby?

 

[munross]

I would have to say Harry Viljoen, only had a 53% winning record and he looked like clown with his highlights

 

[Sir Speedy]

I have to dispute the comments about Eddie's selection. He had arguably the best Ireland side in history at his disposal, yet he never won anything of worth, and failed to get past the WC quarter finals with his team.

 

[cyRil]

Didn't Rudi Straueli go to coach Cardiff, and was a right nonce??

Or was he the guy who got the Boks running naked through bushes pre-2003RWC?

 

[An Tarbh]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Feb 4 2009, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I have to dispute the comments about Eddie's selection. He had arguably the best Ireland side in history at his disposal, yet he never won anything of worth, and failed to get past the WC quarter finals with his team.[/b]

yes and as is the case with small nations a lot of that is reliant on keeping key players fit, we don't have the luxury of other top nations in terms of playing numbers. I'm not saying he was a Messiah by any stretch of the imagination but for anyone with half a brain to be claiming he deserves to be mentioned as the worst international coach ever is a retard.

 

[An Tarbh]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Feb 4 2009, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I have to dispute the comments about Eddie's selection. He had arguably the best Ireland side in history at his disposal, yet he never won anything of worth, and failed to get past the WC quarter finals with his team.[/b]

and when Wales won the triple crown last year they certainly made a much bigger deal of it than Ireland did when they'd won it the previous year. What were the mighty Welsh doing celebrating winning a worthless trophy?

 

[cyRil]

Winning away to England and then certainly Ireland are no mean feats. Beating you also meant we went onto compete for the Grand Slam the following week, so there were a number of reasons we celebrated like we did. With Ireland, it was more of a consolation prize after failing to win the 6 Nations, yet again.
I don't agree with people saying O'Sullivan should be on this list, because they are wrong. I'm just telling you why the Welsh team/public reacted the way they did

 

[Sir Speedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Feb 4 2009, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Feb 4 2009, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have to dispute the comments about Eddie's selection. He had arguably the best Ireland side in history at his disposal, yet he never won anything of worth, and failed to get past the WC quarter finals with his team.[/b]

and when Wales won the triple crown last year they certainly made a much bigger deal of it than Ireland did when they'd won it the previous year. What were the mighty Welsh doing celebrating winning a worthless trophy?
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I don't know. Perhaps achieving a Triple Crown after the calamity that was the '07 WC meant a lot to the players? And as cyRil said, winning in Ireland and England are no mean feats, especially after two years of crappy results in the tournament. I'm sure Ireland eventualy got bored of winning something as worthless as that.

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Feb 4 2009, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

despite personal dislikes Robinson and O'Sullivan have no place in that list.[/b]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Feb 4 2009, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Feb 4 2009, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was struggling to fill it, there was 3 or 4 standout rubbish coaches then a few so-so ones. EOS and Robinson fall into that category, to be fair O'Sullivan had a very talented group of players yet never went past the WC quarter finals and never won the 6 nations. Robinson got worse the more years he had, 7 or 8 defeats in a row was pretty shocking.[/b]

Robinson is a world cup winning coach, O'Sullivan coached Ireland to 3 triple crowns, just because he overstayed his welcome doesn't put him in the same low standing as others mentioned.
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Yeah, it may have been time for him to go, but, as Declan Kidney has attested, a lot of good was done during his period...that can't be argued.

 

[Incredible Schalk]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stillknox @ Feb 4 2009, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

What's the point with Skrela ? I was young at the time but he has numerous succes with Toulouse and Les Bleus.[/b]

Well i remember he coached the side in 1999, to a wooden spoon. Now with the depth France have that is truely awful, even in the world cup they were rubbish until they played the AB's and were poor again in the final. By the way this is only national coaches, im not doubting he was a good club coach, just like Andy Robinson or Matt Williams.

 

[An Tarbh]

if you're going to include Robinson for his stint as head coach with England than you've got to include Gatland for his spell with Ireland, he had a more than talented squad and we won nothing, his preparation for the Scotland game in 2001 was nothing short of disgraceful. There's also a case to be made for Henry's stint with Wales as well.

 

[Incredible Schalk]

What was the preperation before the Scotland game out of interest?

 

[An Tarbh]

well the lack of a warm up game before a championship match was a poor call, as was the selections he made, got the half backs all wrong. Easy saying that in hindsight but it just baffled me at the time. Fair enough I know the Scots didn't have one either, but they weren't in a position of going for a grand slam, so why not have a warm up game? The following week he gets it right albeit too late and we win by 30 points in Cardiff.

 

[Cymro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Feb 4 2009, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Didn't Rudi Straueli go to coach Cardiff, and was a right nonce??

Or was he the guy who got the Boks running naked through bushes pre-2003RWC?[/b]

No that was Rudy Joubert!

Gareth Jenkins end of!

 

[Stillknox]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Feb 5 2009, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stillknox @ Feb 4 2009, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What's the point with Skrela ? I was young at the time but he has numerous succes with Toulouse and Les Bleus.[/b]

Well i remember he coached the side in 1999, to a wooden spoon. Now with the depth France have that is truely awful, even in the world cup they were rubbish until they played the AB's and were poor again in the final. By the way this is only national coaches, im not doubting he was a good club coach, just like Andy Robinson or Matt Williams.
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I clearly remember we were awful in 1999 (home defeats against Scotland, Wales, 60 points in the summer tour against NZ...) but the Skrela-Villepreux duo won two Grand Slam before that, in 97 & 98, and even if we played **** except in the semi (and the quarter against Argentina too by the way) in RWC99, that's still a great campain.


But maybe you could nominate him has worst father ever.  h34r:

 

[dullonien]

I think Sir Speedy WOULD be the worst international coach of all time, so I'm voting for him!


























Seriously though. Gareth Jenkins has to get it. Gatland has just made it worse for him by winning a Grand Slam with the same group of players he had!

 

[Fred187]

Frank Hadden should not be on that list - Scotland have improved under him. Any coach who improves a team cannot be a bad coach.

 

[C A Iversen]

What about worst-forum-clogging pointless threads? We could be onto a winner here. Wow, worst coach. Lets say there's a winner. Then what? A handful of people shuffling their knuckles over their meat-wands on TRF about a useless coach is going to...........?

 

[Incredible Schalk]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fred187 @ Feb 5 2009, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Frank Hadden should not be on that list - Scotland have improved under him. Any coach who improves a team cannot be a bad coach.[/b]

He's achieved nothing and still shows a ridiculous bias towards Edinburgh, picking nobodies instead of form players from Glasgow.We've barely improved from the form under Matt Williams.

 

[An Tarbh]

Williams blooded a lot of new players, problem is I think Scotland are the one nation who can't stomach a foreign coach, he was used as a scapegoat in my opinion, but when Hadden got in a lot of those players had gotten international experience and they picked up some good results along the way, still though nowhere near the improvement that you would have expected, so the criticism is warranted.