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<blockquote data-quote="Dunhookin" data-source="post: 826870" data-attributes="member: 74570"><p>Hmm didnt realise I was being 'assessed' Just ole son! This is clearly very important to you as there's something of a moral outrage undertone in your thread. Whilst you and I share the philosophy of participation- and I would always speak out against the win at all costs mentality - I do understand why some favour it. </p><p></p><p>Having said that, I find myself agreeing with you on the mindset of coaches involved in youth rugby. I've coached youth rugby at club level and representative level, using the same philosophy for both. This was player rotation and always using the entire bench, irrespective of the result. </p><p></p><p>I have worked with coaches who do the exact opposite - seeing nothing wrong in getting players travelling 2 or 3 hours each way for a county away match, for them to sit out the entire game on the bench...?! This is especially unfair to the point of outrage when the outcome of the match is clearly set either way at say the hour mark. Sadly they don't get called to account for it - great shame. </p><p></p><p>On the subject of mindset - Eddie Jones declared that he has searched the country for a genuine open side and found none. Australia and Wales - have two world class 7s - we have none. It's not an accident. The reason is that genuine 7s have all been eliminated at county youth trials because of the size obsession endemic in English rugby. </p><p></p><p>I have seen a number of genuine 7s come to county trial over the years to be condemned as too small - and told 'you're not big enough to play in the back row, I suggest you go play hooker'. So coaches with little or no idea of what it takes to play upfront blithely recommend players not deemed suitable to their chosen position, to play in the front row...!! The rank stupidity of this is mind numbing. </p><p></p><p>The mindset of those asked to be coaches and or selectors is that big is always best - size conquers all. Genuine 7s by the very nature of the job are smaller stature players. For instance, the ability to get to ground and back up again quickly is a fundamental skill for the position - clearly a player of 5ft 10 will be better equipped to do that than one of 6ft 4. I've seen with immense dismay, small but highly skilled 7s - with the priceless and can't be coached ability to read the game - eliminated in favour of a bigger but less skilled back row forward selected as a 7 because he's big...! I've argued vehemently against this ignorant myopic stupidity - but the majority always had the big is best mindset.</p><p></p><p>This myopic ignorance and the lack of empathetic player management are the chief reasons I am no longer involved in coaching at county level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dunhookin, post: 826870, member: 74570"] Hmm didnt realise I was being 'assessed' Just ole son! This is clearly very important to you as there's something of a moral outrage undertone in your thread. Whilst you and I share the philosophy of participation- and I would always speak out against the win at all costs mentality - I do understand why some favour it. Having said that, I find myself agreeing with you on the mindset of coaches involved in youth rugby. I've coached youth rugby at club level and representative level, using the same philosophy for both. This was player rotation and always using the entire bench, irrespective of the result. I have worked with coaches who do the exact opposite - seeing nothing wrong in getting players travelling 2 or 3 hours each way for a county away match, for them to sit out the entire game on the bench...?! This is especially unfair to the point of outrage when the outcome of the match is clearly set either way at say the hour mark. Sadly they don't get called to account for it - great shame. On the subject of mindset - Eddie Jones declared that he has searched the country for a genuine open side and found none. Australia and Wales - have two world class 7s - we have none. It's not an accident. The reason is that genuine 7s have all been eliminated at county youth trials because of the size obsession endemic in English rugby. I have seen a number of genuine 7s come to county trial over the years to be condemned as too small - and told 'you're not big enough to play in the back row, I suggest you go play hooker'. So coaches with little or no idea of what it takes to play upfront blithely recommend players not deemed suitable to their chosen position, to play in the front row...!! The rank stupidity of this is mind numbing. The mindset of those asked to be coaches and or selectors is that big is always best - size conquers all. Genuine 7s by the very nature of the job are smaller stature players. For instance, the ability to get to ground and back up again quickly is a fundamental skill for the position - clearly a player of 5ft 10 will be better equipped to do that than one of 6ft 4. I've seen with immense dismay, small but highly skilled 7s - with the priceless and can't be coached ability to read the game - eliminated in favour of a bigger but less skilled back row forward selected as a 7 because he's big...! I've argued vehemently against this ignorant myopic stupidity - but the majority always had the big is best mindset. This myopic ignorance and the lack of empathetic player management are the chief reasons I am no longer involved in coaching at county level. [/QUOTE]
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