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<blockquote data-quote="Zootalaws" data-source="post: 828109" data-attributes="member: 61187"><p>Without this descending into an anti-England post, I wonder if this attitude is why you guys suck at sport? (Kidding, honest! My kids all grew up as teens in the UK and now one of them is headed to the next olympics, courtesy of UK sport, but representing NZ)</p><p></p><p>Growing up in NZ it was always acknowledged that it was the taking part that <strong><em>didn't</em></strong> count. All that mattered was the win. Not just to the coaches or the parents on the sideline, but to the players as well and believe me, kids are the most damning of a player that is pulling the rest of the team down. They have no filter.</p><p></p><p>There are ways to develop players and part of that is acknowledging that some are always going to be better than others - it's what spurred us on to try and try and try to get into the top team.</p><p></p><p>Its the reason Beauden Barrett sat patiently on the sidelines waiting his turn and when it was his turn, he shined.</p><p></p><p>I've never understood the mindset of 'give everyone a go' in a competition. If you want player development, you do that in the club, during training. But you also have to give everyone a chance to show what they can do - even the All Blacks still have 'possibles vs probables' games where the nearly men are given a chance to foot it with the incumbents. There's a damned good reason for that.</p><p></p><p>This is is part of the reason for European rugby's slump against the antipodes, in my opinion, that your coaches (not necessarily just the national coaches - club and rep and school coaches are just as guilty of this) are intent on picking comfortable/experience over new talent, in case they make a mistake. Also that talent isn't given the opportunity to shine and so that talent goes off and plays some other sport.</p><p></p><p>Always, always pick the best team. If little Johnny is discouraged by that then he is being let down by his coaches, who should be instilling mental toughness as well as the physical. Who should be instilling team play over individual, that you do what's best for the team, not for your personal glory.</p><p></p><p>In in my personal experience my son has been picking himself up for the last five years, getting knocked back by the NZOC every time for an Olympic scholarship. He was gutted every time, asking 'wtf do I have to do?', but then it happened. It's made such a difference to him from a financial and support perspective, but he kept his head throughout, even when he was really down he didn't give up, accepting that sometimes fair didn't come into it. He knew that if he kept on working and getting results, it would happen. He never moaned that it wasn't fair or that he deserved a go. Clearly he didn't meet the requirements, until he did.</p><p></p><p>He was a county U18 rugby rep in the U.K. and that was really tough, because he didn't go to a grammar school or public school, just the local comp. He didn't play for a 'name' team or an academy and more often than not, he sat on the bench while more favoured players got to run on. It was hard for him, but I think he wouldn't have valued the few times he got to play as much if he knew, deep down, that he had been given a run because it was his turn. When it was his turn, he made damned sure he gave it his all.</p><p></p><p>You have to ask yourself, why is it that four of the six nations are coached by antipodeans? They all came from an environment where you pick your best team on the day, not from one where you give everyone a go to be 'fair' or 'inclusive' or to 'develop'.</p><p></p><p>And sorry if this comes across as a 'look what my boy has done' post. It wasn't meant as such, just that I have personal experience of seeing a talented young player hit obstacles and overcome them. His identity will remain private, as will his chosen sport.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zootalaws, post: 828109, member: 61187"] Without this descending into an anti-England post, I wonder if this attitude is why you guys suck at sport? (Kidding, honest! My kids all grew up as teens in the UK and now one of them is headed to the next olympics, courtesy of UK sport, but representing NZ) Growing up in NZ it was always acknowledged that it was the taking part that [B][I]didn't[/I][/B] count. All that mattered was the win. Not just to the coaches or the parents on the sideline, but to the players as well and believe me, kids are the most damning of a player that is pulling the rest of the team down. They have no filter. There are ways to develop players and part of that is acknowledging that some are always going to be better than others - it's what spurred us on to try and try and try to get into the top team. Its the reason Beauden Barrett sat patiently on the sidelines waiting his turn and when it was his turn, he shined. I've never understood the mindset of 'give everyone a go' in a competition. If you want player development, you do that in the club, during training. But you also have to give everyone a chance to show what they can do - even the All Blacks still have 'possibles vs probables' games where the nearly men are given a chance to foot it with the incumbents. There's a damned good reason for that. This is is part of the reason for European rugby's slump against the antipodes, in my opinion, that your coaches (not necessarily just the national coaches - club and rep and school coaches are just as guilty of this) are intent on picking comfortable/experience over new talent, in case they make a mistake. Also that talent isn't given the opportunity to shine and so that talent goes off and plays some other sport. Always, always pick the best team. If little Johnny is discouraged by that then he is being let down by his coaches, who should be instilling mental toughness as well as the physical. Who should be instilling team play over individual, that you do what's best for the team, not for your personal glory. In in my personal experience my son has been picking himself up for the last five years, getting knocked back by the NZOC every time for an Olympic scholarship. He was gutted every time, asking 'wtf do I have to do?', but then it happened. It's made such a difference to him from a financial and support perspective, but he kept his head throughout, even when he was really down he didn't give up, accepting that sometimes fair didn't come into it. He knew that if he kept on working and getting results, it would happen. He never moaned that it wasn't fair or that he deserved a go. Clearly he didn't meet the requirements, until he did. He was a county U18 rugby rep in the U.K. and that was really tough, because he didn't go to a grammar school or public school, just the local comp. He didn't play for a 'name' team or an academy and more often than not, he sat on the bench while more favoured players got to run on. It was hard for him, but I think he wouldn't have valued the few times he got to play as much if he knew, deep down, that he had been given a run because it was his turn. When it was his turn, he made damned sure he gave it his all. You have to ask yourself, why is it that four of the six nations are coached by antipodeans? They all came from an environment where you pick your best team on the day, not from one where you give everyone a go to be 'fair' or 'inclusive' or to 'develop'. And sorry if this comes across as a 'look what my boy has done' post. It wasn't meant as such, just that I have personal experience of seeing a talented young player hit obstacles and overcome them. His identity will remain private, as will his chosen sport. [/QUOTE]
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