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<blockquote data-quote="Zootalaws" data-source="post: 828111" data-attributes="member: 61187"><p>In my experience of teen sport in the U.K., I would say that's exactly the attitude of many, and many parents.</p><p></p><p>And it comes down to the coaching - of expectations and teamwork - as much as skills. Some coaches are just crap and in it for their own self-aggrandisement. In my experience of dragging kids all over the world from the time they dropped out of their mother, nowhere more so than in the U.K. We've played competitive sport in NZ, Australia, UK, Ireland, and a little bit in France, but overwhelmingly our experience in the U.K. of coaching has been less than stellar. And it's not like we didn't give it a go - nealry fourteen years of it.</p><p></p><p>We arrived in 2000 with competitive rugby players, sofballers, swimmers and netballers (all reps in their age groups, following in their mothers footsteps) but within two years, two of them had given it away as the coaches seemed more interested in being 'the' coach or of picking their favoured little snowflake than in developing the kids or team. Moving to different clubs gave some respite, but sport in schools in the U.K. is dire and it's there that so many good kiwi sportsmen (and coaches) are made.</p><p></p><p>Look at the number of senior rugby coaches from nz that were school teachers and school coaches. Then there's Lancaster <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>I think that that is the inherent difference between the UK and SA, NZ and Oz... the whole attitude of the players is different and that is the result of the attitude of the coaches. </p><p></p><p>Im not sure if it's widely known outside of NZ but we are just as enthusiastic and committed to developing our coaches as we are our players. The programmes in place for junior sport coaches is incredible, whatever the sport. It probably has a lot to do with why we export so many coaches and trainers in so many sports, from such a tiny country.</p><p></p><p>I didnt see the same commitment in U.K. sport, except at the highest level, and that's great for your national team, but if you really want to be competitive, you need it right at the grass roots, with the five and six and seven and eight year olds - that's where the groundwork for sportsmanship and teamwork and honesty are laid.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, I just can't agree with you. Development isn't done in competition, it's done in training. And if your coach isn't substituting his entire squad during the game, he's a blithering idiot. Not to see they all 'get a turn', but as a tactical game strategy.</p><p></p><p>If you don't have enough players for a ten-aside training session, train all your junior teams together. Sadly, it is usually the coaches egos that won't allow such a situation.</p><p></p><p>The biggest surprise when we moved to the uk was finding out that kids played rugby according to age, not weight. I grew up before that era and believe me, playing as a slight six-stone-nothing against a six-foot ten-stone fifteen-year-old proto-Lomu meant we needed to run faster! But things have changed and we adopted weight-grade junior rugby for exactly that reason and look where our teams are.</p><p></p><p>It seems you are unhappy that kids are being discouraged by not getting game time, and that's definitely a problem. If they are 'in the team' they should be getting game time. But you have to ask yourself why the coaches aren't giving them a run - is it that they will just take anyone and so have a squad of keen players and some that like playing, but aren't committed? How may junior teams are there in your club? Is there any pressure to make the team, or do you take everyone that shows any interest?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zootalaws, post: 828111, member: 61187"] In my experience of teen sport in the U.K., I would say that's exactly the attitude of many, and many parents. And it comes down to the coaching - of expectations and teamwork - as much as skills. Some coaches are just crap and in it for their own self-aggrandisement. In my experience of dragging kids all over the world from the time they dropped out of their mother, nowhere more so than in the U.K. We've played competitive sport in NZ, Australia, UK, Ireland, and a little bit in France, but overwhelmingly our experience in the U.K. of coaching has been less than stellar. And it's not like we didn't give it a go - nealry fourteen years of it. We arrived in 2000 with competitive rugby players, sofballers, swimmers and netballers (all reps in their age groups, following in their mothers footsteps) but within two years, two of them had given it away as the coaches seemed more interested in being 'the' coach or of picking their favoured little snowflake than in developing the kids or team. Moving to different clubs gave some respite, but sport in schools in the U.K. is dire and it's there that so many good kiwi sportsmen (and coaches) are made. Look at the number of senior rugby coaches from nz that were school teachers and school coaches. Then there's Lancaster :D I think that that is the inherent difference between the UK and SA, NZ and Oz... the whole attitude of the players is different and that is the result of the attitude of the coaches. Im not sure if it's widely known outside of NZ but we are just as enthusiastic and committed to developing our coaches as we are our players. The programmes in place for junior sport coaches is incredible, whatever the sport. It probably has a lot to do with why we export so many coaches and trainers in so many sports, from such a tiny country. I didnt see the same commitment in U.K. sport, except at the highest level, and that's great for your national team, but if you really want to be competitive, you need it right at the grass roots, with the five and six and seven and eight year olds - that's where the groundwork for sportsmanship and teamwork and honesty are laid. [COLOR="silver"][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] Sorry, I just can't agree with you. Development isn't done in competition, it's done in training. And if your coach isn't substituting his entire squad during the game, he's a blithering idiot. Not to see they all 'get a turn', but as a tactical game strategy. If you don't have enough players for a ten-aside training session, train all your junior teams together. Sadly, it is usually the coaches egos that won't allow such a situation. The biggest surprise when we moved to the uk was finding out that kids played rugby according to age, not weight. I grew up before that era and believe me, playing as a slight six-stone-nothing against a six-foot ten-stone fifteen-year-old proto-Lomu meant we needed to run faster! But things have changed and we adopted weight-grade junior rugby for exactly that reason and look where our teams are. It seems you are unhappy that kids are being discouraged by not getting game time, and that's definitely a problem. If they are 'in the team' they should be getting game time. But you have to ask yourself why the coaches aren't giving them a run - is it that they will just take anyone and so have a squad of keen players and some that like playing, but aren't committed? How may junior teams are there in your club? Is there any pressure to make the team, or do you take everyone that shows any interest? [/QUOTE]
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