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Rugby breakaway league coming. (R360)

www.theguardian.com

Club rugby needs a radical fix – but is R360 breakaway league the cure to its ills? | Andy Bull

It will take a lot of money, which may well be forthcoming, and much more besides to realise plans for new global league
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
www.dailymail.co.uk

SIR CLIVE: These are the questions rugby's rebel league MUST answer

SIR CLIVE WOODWARD: The decisions they make on R360 are likely to define rugby's direction of travel for the next 20 or 30 years. Yes, they really are that big.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Clive Woodward thinks the National Unions could be paid to allow R360 players to play international rugby despite the rules.
 
Rugbyfan564 said:
www.theguardian.com

Club rugby needs a radical fix – but is R360 breakaway league the cure to its ills? | Andy Bull

It will take a lot of money, which may well be forthcoming, and much more besides to realise plans for new global league
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
www.dailymail.co.uk

SIR CLIVE: These are the questions rugby's rebel league MUST answer

SIR CLIVE WOODWARD: The decisions they make on R360 are likely to define rugby's direction of travel for the next 20 or 30 years. Yes, they really are that big.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Clive Woodward thinks the National Unions could be paid to allow R360 players to play international rugby despite the rules.
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Oh well if Clive says so 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Rugbyfan564 said:
WR expect it to happen they just think it will flop but some big names will switch for the payday. (And that only some countires will ban switchers while others won't)

Lions members have already signed contracts and we heard reports last year of big names having signed.
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You seem pretty desperate for it to happen. You seem to be experiencing some sort of prolonged orgasm at the idea for some reason.
 
Rugbyfan564 said:
I posted it it earlier.
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The article that says no Irish player has signed up but that some are 'understood to be open to the idea'. Sounds very committed.

Should be noted ROC will also regularly trot out the rumours of Irish players leaving for France around contract renewal time, presumably at the behest of their agents.
 
This is the most I'll believe it when I see it news story that ever hit rugby. Let's break it down.

1. It's a breakaway league with totally new franchises not connected to any other clubs - this has never happened in the history of team sports ever.

2. Mike Tindall and Stuart Hooper and some unknown investor - Comparing that to LIV you had Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman (a top 50 and top 20 player OAT) and the PIF, the world's largest investment fund backing it. LIV has still been a massive, massive failure.

3. Rugby players aren't in the position to be overly risky with their careers - Again comparing this to LIV which recruited guys who for the most part are set for life and self-employed (pre-LIV) and could offer them guaranteed money that either rivalled or dwarfed what they would earn on the PGA. Rugby players are employed, none are set for life from their career earnings and this league isn't offering that type of money. There is no way these guys are going to get any guarantee of international rugby, and WR will more than likely ban them from WR sanctioned events. The risk for the rugby player who goes for this league is betting that it is successful or that they can maintain their level and not ostracise themselves for a period of 2-3 years when playing and training less, and most likely at a lower level, than players who don't make the move.

There simply won't be enough guys in their primes or coming into it willing to take these risks.

4. Fans won't buy in - who's going to watch this across multiple timezones with no connection to a team? NH fans barely watch SH club rugby and vice versa, those are established clubs with players closely connected to them. The Lions is one of the biggest events in rugby. Tier 2 teams are told to be grateful for the chance to play A teams, forget about a test. Rugby needs tradition in certain forms to survive, there's not a big enough market out there not to rely on the deeply established one.

5. Sir Clive and Mike Tindall (again) - are pig **** thick, royal brown nosers. They're as likely to close this as I am to close Sydney Sweeney.
 
www.dailymail.co.uk

Premiership teams fear breakaway rugby league could kill clubs

ALEX BYWATER: R360 say they want to provide 'generational change in rugby' by creating 12 new franchise teams with the best players in the world who will play at the best stadiums.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
Daily Mail being calm measured lol.


'They plan to target the world's leading lights such as French superstar Antoine Dupont and England internationals such as Maro Itoje and Marcus Smith.

Players touring with the British & Irish Lions in Australia this summer have been approached.'


www.thetimes.com

Global circus can provide sugar rush but will endanger rugby’s future

Breakaway league is meant to revolutionise rugby but impact on the sport could be severe if England and Premiership are drained of their crown jewel players
www.thetimes.com www.thetimes.com

'If R360 works, it will target about 40 of the best players from the Premiership,'

'Yet if you are the RFU, you have an eight-year agreement that says Steve Borthwick, the England head coach, cannot select players unless they play in the Premiership. That means Borthwick has instantly lost a large contingent of his best players. The alternative is that the RFU negotiates its way out of that deal with the Premiership clubs, in which case the England team would be working directly against the source that provides its own talent.'

The Times suggesting it could destroy the England National team. I believe it will if they all go. The RFU could easily go bankrupt because of this.
 
Leonormous Boozer said:
This is the most I'll believe it when I see it news story that ever hit rugby. Let's break it down.

1. It's a breakaway league with totally new franchises not connected to any other clubs - this has never happened in the history of team sports ever.

2. Mike Tindall and Stuart Hooper and some unknown investor - Comparing that to LIV you had Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman (a top 50 and top 20 player OAT) and the PIF, the world's largest investment fund backing it. LIV has still been a massive, massive failure.

3. Rugby players aren't in the position to be overly risky with their careers - Again comparing this to LIV which recruited guys who for the most part are set for life and self-employed (pre-LIV) and could offer them guaranteed money that either rivalled or dwarfed what they would earn on the PGA. Rugby players are employed, none are set for life from their career earnings and this league isn't offering that type of money. There is no way these guys are going to get any guarantee of international rugby, and WR will more than likely ban them from WR sanctioned events. The risk for the rugby player who goes for this league is betting that it is successful or that they can maintain their level and not ostracise themselves for a period of 2-3 years when playing and training less, and most likely at a lower level, than players who don't make the move.

There simply won't be enough guys in their primes or coming into it willing to take these risks.

4. Fans won't buy in - who's going to watch this across multiple timezones with no connection to a team? NH fans barely watch SH club rugby and vice versa, those are established clubs with players closely connected to them. The Lions is one of the biggest events in rugby. Tier 2 teams are told to be grateful for the chance to play A teams, forget about a test. Rugby needs tradition in certain forms to survive, there's not a big enough market out there not to rely on the deeply established one.

5. Sir Clive and Mike Tindall (again) - are pig **** thick, royal brown nosers. They're as likely to close this as I am to close Sydney Sweeney.
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It's quite possible World Rugby will openly back it for financial reasons or at least take a neutral stance and leave it up to each national union. They certainly don't seem to be deeply opposed will do everything to kill it off.
 
Breakaway League Coming - And I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. :D

arizona GIF
 
Rugbyfan564 said:
NZ rugby also talking about it.
www.newstalkzb.co.nz

R360: Rugby’s new breakaway league has to battle "strong headwinds" to succeed

New Zealand Rugby Players Association boss Rob Nichol admits their members have been approached about R360 - rugby's new breakaway league.
www.newstalkzb.co.nz www.newstalkzb.co.nz
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what theyre saying when they talk about it

"significant headwind", "real challenges", "havent seen evidence of the funding", "current timing proposed doesnt work", "ideas like this have come up before and not eventuated"..........
 
Leonormous Boozer said:
This is the most I'll believe it when I see it news story that ever hit rugby. Let's break it down.

1. It's a breakaway league with totally new franchises not connected to any other clubs - this has never happened in the history of team sports ever.

2. Mike Tindall and Stuart Hooper and some unknown investor - Comparing that to LIV you had Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman (a top 50 and top 20 player OAT) and the PIF, the world's largest investment fund backing it. LIV has still been a massive, massive failure.

3. Rugby players aren't in the position to be overly risky with their careers - Again comparing this to LIV which recruited guys who for the most part are set for life and self-employed (pre-LIV) and could offer them guaranteed money that either rivalled or dwarfed what they would earn on the PGA. Rugby players are employed, none are set for life from their career earnings and this league isn't offering that type of money. There is no way these guys are going to get any guarantee of international rugby, and WR will more than likely ban them from WR sanctioned events. The risk for the rugby player who goes for this league is betting that it is successful or that they can maintain their level and not ostracise themselves for a period of 2-3 years when playing and training less, and most likely at a lower level, than players who don't make the move.

There simply won't be enough guys in their primes or coming into it willing to take these risks.

4. Fans won't buy in - who's going to watch this across multiple timezones with no connection to a team? NH fans barely watch SH club rugby and vice versa, those are established clubs with players closely connected to them. The Lions is one of the biggest events in rugby. Tier 2 teams are told to be grateful for the chance to play A teams, forget about a test. Rugby needs tradition in certain forms to survive, there's not a big enough market out there not to rely on the deeply established one.

5. Sir Clive and Mike Tindall (again) - are pig **** thick, royal brown nosers. They're as likely to close this as I am to close Sydney Sweeney.
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Number 3 is the biggest one for me. Especially for older players with families. Difference between moving to France for a pay day and something that is simply a concept. They need to be certain the money is there. Maybe a few will have nothing to lose, but not many.
 
Rugbyfan564 said:
It's quite possible World Rugby will openly back it for financial reasons or at least take a neutral stance and leave it up to each national union. They certainly don't seem to be deeply opposed will do everything to kill it off.
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i think thats mostly because its not a real threat, why waste time and effort if its needed
 
Rugbyfan564 said:
It's quite possible World Rugby will openly back it for financial reasons or at least take a neutral stance and leave it up to each national union. They certainly don't seem to be deeply opposed will do everything to kill it off.
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Its possible but not probable at all. Governing bodies don't give up control.

Currently they have "dozens of heads of agreements signed" whilst claiming they'll get the top 360 players in the sport. A head of agreement is more or less nothing and "dozens" probably means 24.
 
Leonormous Boozer said:
4. Fans won't buy in - who's going to watch this across multiple timezones with no connection to a team? NH fans barely watch SH club rugby and vice versa, those are established clubs with players closely connected to them.
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You don't even need to complicate things with time zones - how many URC club fans actually watch the Prem or T14 - and vice versa.
Let's be honest - how many rugby fans actually watch a match as a complete neutral (that isn't a one-off event)?
 

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