Ireland v South Africa - 22/11/2025

[dirty harry]

Ireland compounding errors now, we havnt seen an Ireland team do this for a nu.ber of years

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

The initial angles didn't show head contact, but later ones from Ryan's left you can clearly see Marx's head is hit.

Fair. Stadium looked v innocuous

 

[dirty harry]

Fair. Stadium looked v innocuous

To be fair i must have missed that final replay, clear head contact looks awful lol. I rescind my annoyance!!!!

 

[saulan]

Fair. Stadium looked v innocuous

I think the most damning part is he launched his body in with his shoulder deeply tucked with no ambiguity to it.

 

[dirty harry]

That should be an Ireland pen, lazy SA forward was within 10 of the kick receiver

 

[BMatt]

I think the most damning part is he launched his body in with his shoulder deeply tucked with no ambiguity to it.

Indeed. And Marx was stationary so there's no mitigating for e.g. falling player etc.

 

[saulan]

I mean, we got consistency with a Springbok game of a lock getting a red card in the first 30 mins right? Just the other team this time.

(For what it’s worth I think SFM was lucky and was a yellow, but not a red - same thing from the straight red last week of not direct head contact.)

 

[Reiser99]

Ok, I get the reasoning, but the why was the illegal no arms tackle by South Africa that made head contact not treated the same? If that was always illegal why was mitigation applied?

 

[dirty harry]

Ok, I get the reasoning, but the why was the illegal no arms tackle by South Africa that made head contact not treated the same? If that was always illegal why was mitigation applied?

SA complaining about a world rugby red card conspiracy against them... pressure seemed to get to Carley there.

Both yellows IMO

 

[saulan]

Ok, I get the reasoning, but the why was the illegal no arms tackle by South Africa that made head contact not treated the same? If that was always illegal why was mitigation applied?

I don’t think the direct contact was head. It was, in my opinion, chest/shoulder first with glancing head contact as the contact progressed) and honestly the spin I thought was him trying to get out of the contact rather than an attempted dirty hit).

 

[Reiser99]

I don't think the direct contact was head. It was, in my opinion, chest/shoulder first with glancing head contact as the contact progressed) and honestly the spin I thought was him trying to get out of the contact rather than an attempted dirty hit).

I agree, but Carley said head, so where was his consistency?

 

[saulan]

Ffs

I'm sorry but almost all SA games this tour have been spoilt by these contacts. This time it's the opposition suffering. But come on, we want 15 vs 15 and the best team in those conditions winning.

Edit: that one got saved

 

[TommiG88]

How is O'Brien not going off for a HIA?

Edit: finally

 

[Reiser99]

Poor tackle. I don't like that passive term. I think it's irrelevant. I don't think he's passive, I think he losses the collision. I'm fine with penalty only though.

 

[saulan]

I agree, but Carley said head, so where was his consistency?

I mean, I don’t agree with his rationale. He said not convinced that there was no wrapping. He said there was wrapping so he can apply mitigation for fast change in body position and low degree of danger.

 

[dirty harry]

Ffs

I'm sorry but almost all SA games this tour have been spoilt by these contacts. This time it's the opposition suffering. But come on, we want 15 vs 15 and the best team in those conditions winning.

Edit: that one got saved

I think what we need is 1 ludicrous game, 4 or 5 reds, undeserved but absolutely correct decisions by the letter of the law, to pressure world rugby to make sensible changes to this card nonsense.

I dont remember the last game i saw that stayed 15 15 ffs

 

[Reiser99]

How is O'Brien not going off for a HIA?

Edit: finally

Should have been off immediately.

 

[Reiser99]

I mean, I don't agree with his rationale. He said not convinced that there was no wrapping. He said there was wrapping so he can apply mitigation for fast change in body position and low degree of danger.

Did he, I thought he said no arms tackle. Having said that Carley is definitely one of our worst refs.

 

[BMatt]

Ok, I get the reasoning, but the why was the illegal no arms tackle by South Africa that made head contact not treated the same? If that was always illegal why was mitigation applied?

Devil's advocate and I may have missed something Carley said, but arguably the Ireland player falling forward from the other tackler meant SFM wouldn't have had the time to bring his arm up to wrap. It was a very dynamic scenario, and different to Ryan launching his shoulder into a stationary player.

 

[saulan]

Did he, I thought he said no arms tackle. Having said that Carley is definitely one of our worst refs.

I mean Carley is my least favourite referee. But regardless of that I do recall him saying not convinced there was no wrap