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Melhor Time said:
Ireland could host on their own if the GAA are open to the idea. I would quite like it but Italy willl be the next European host after England in 2015.
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Meh, I doubt it. While there are some nice GAA stadiums (Croker, Pearse Park, the New Casement Park and Semple), most are a bit worse for wear. Good capacities, but they'd need alot of work to be brought up to international standard, especially when you consider how bad the stadiums are in Cork.


Anyway, we don't have anyway near the population to support a WC.
 
Feicarsinn said:
Meh, I doubt it. While there are some nice GAA stadiums (Croker, Pearse Park, the New Casement Park and Semple), most are a bit worse for wear. Good capacities, but they'd need alot of work to be brought up to international standard, especially when you consider how bad the stadiums are in Cork.


Anyway, we don't have anyway near the population to support a WC.
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Don't think that really works. There are two million more people in Ireland than there are in New Zealand, and tourists to New Zealand have to cross the Pacific Ocean. Qatar is going to host the 2022 Football World Cup, and that has a population of just over 1.6 million. It's more about the money required and the venues. New Zealand has really had to get a huge amount of backing from the government etc, as well as very public promotion to hopefully fill out the stadiums. Whether the stadiums will be full for the smaller games, I doubt it.
 
@ Melhor Time

Fairs do with regards to the wingers, but to 'answer' your one question, I believe there are enough wing spots available to cater for young wings
Considering that the ones with little gametime, like James Fleming from Glasgow, can get called up to the Sevens squad

About Borders, well I only became interested in club level rugby during the 2007 S14, and up until that point had only watched
A few international matches and some of the Sharks games of the 2006 Currie Cup, so frankly I didn't even know what was happenming at club level in Scotland

But through my 'research', I would say the SRU did the right thing in taking a business orientated decision, in that Glasgow was the most viable option
I think they had 26 million pounds of debt, which if I am not mistaken is larger than even their current turnover
 
nickdnz said:
Don't think that really works. There are two million more people in Ireland than there are in New Zealand, and tourists to New Zealand have to cross the Pacific Ocean. Qatar is going to host the 2022 Football World Cup, and that has a population of just over 1.6 million. It's more about the money required and the venues. New Zealand has really had to get a huge amount of backing from the government etc, as well as very public promotion to hopefully fill out the stadiums. Whether the stadiums will be full for the smaller games, I doubt it.
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Big difference between NZ and us. It's ye're national sport.

In ireland it's around the 4th most popular sport.
 
Feicarsinn
There are two big concerns about Ireland being a Rugby World Cup host and you have addressed both of them - the state of the infrastucture and the countries economy.

Ireland´s population is not an issue. As pointed out New Zealand 2011 is testiment to this. It would actually be beneficial to Ireland given the proximity of others. Croke Park could host and pack France vs Argentina or Scotland vs Italy with fans arriving and if they want to leaving on the same day. NZ cannot do this.

There is a facebook petition and I stumbled across a large internet discussion of the possibility with many people keen on the idea.

I won´t get into it here or now but will promise to open a debate about it in its own thread in the not to distant future.

Ireland can host - the government would back it. A great chance for the Republic and Northern Ireland to come together on the World stage. Surely the scrouges from the UK can at long last pay for Belfast to have a decent venue.
 
Ha Ireland host the World Cup :) we can just about host the AI's and well UK shouldn't have to pay for any thing because in Irish Rugby the IRFU has control over 32 counties in rugby terms and therefor IRFU should be liable for costs
 
Ireland could host one...there are some fantastic stadia in Ireland.. To name a few that would be upto hosting the bigger games , The Aviva , Croker , Semple stadium , Gaelic grounds , Thomond park ,Pairc Ui Cuimh , Pearse Stadium .

Smaller games could be facilitated By the dozen or so 20,000 plus stadia , The RDS , Donneybrook .

We have the Grounds for it no question about that...
 
Cymro said:
Just to point out that Scarlets have 3 games on Sunday to come, 2 of them are LV Cup matches ...

Yes the Top 14 is a stronger league, yet I dont think the Saints are better supported than the Scarlets, most passionate set of fans you will ever see. Infact Im not having that point at all. He is guaranteed first team rugby at the Scarlets also and I reckon (and I have good authority ... but there we are who am I to know .... ) that he has a good chance of moving to the Scarlets or back to Scotland. Although my source has indicated that the Scarlets at this time cannot afford him and want to develop within, Murray was keen to join! He wont go to the Currie Cup, well not at least until end of the current NH season ... CC plays June - October, so at the current time its not the most sensible offer :). As for a more successful club, thats up to debate. Something that seems to have been clearly overlooked.

And no its not an irrelevant debate, the Irish lads have a fair right to reply to some rubbish that was sprouted.
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Well I've been having a look at attendances so far this season, and while Saints are getting 13,000+ for every GP game, Scarlets are looking at 7,000 for Magners League games. So...

sources:
http://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/rugby/fixtures_all.php?includeref=5143&season=2010-2011
http://www.scarlets.co.uk/eng/rugby/fixtures.php
 
Melhor Time said:
Feicarsinn
There are two big concerns about Ireland being a Rugby World Cup host and you have addressed both of them - the state of the infrastucture and the countries economy.

Ireland´s population is not an issue. As pointed out New Zealand 2011 is testiment to this. It would actually be beneficial to Ireland given the proximity of others. Croke Park could host and pack France vs Argentina or Scotland vs Italy with fans arriving and if they want to leaving on the same day. NZ cannot do this.

There is a facebook petition and I stumbled across a large internet discussion of the possibility with many people keen on the idea.

I won´t get into it here or now but will promise to open a debate about it in its own thread in the not to distant future.

Ireland can host - the government would back it. A great chance for the Republic and Northern Ireland to come together on the World stage. Surely the scrouges from the UK can at long last pay for Belfast to have a decent venue.
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I'm pretty sure that the infrastructure and transportation is there for any fans that want to leave after the games in NZ ... the match schedules have been pretty well thought out with regard to which team plays where and with regard to minimising the need for fans to move from city to city and filling the stadiums anyway.

Italy for example are playing most of their games in Nelson, which minimises the need for fans to travel. I would expect that the locals will attend these matches, probably with their kids, as there aren't any All Black matches there, and the kids will get to experience the RWC experience.

I've been a few "neutral" RWC matches in my time, and with smart scheduling, you can fill the stadiums ... examples: Ireland V Wales, France V Romania, and Scotland V Zimbabwe, all at Athletic park 1987, and Argentina V Namibia at Gosford in Australia ... all of these matches were well attended
 
lucky number 7 said:
Ireland could host one...there are some fantastic stadia in Ireland.. To name a few that would be upto hosting the bigger games , The Aviva , Croker , Semple stadium , Gaelic grounds , Thomond park ,Pairc Ui Cuimh , Pearse Stadium .

Smaller games could be facilitated By the dozen or so 20,000 plus stadia , The RDS , Donneybrook .

We have the Grounds for it no question about that...
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Ireland does indeed have a good number of stadiums, however:

Pairc Ui Cuimh is bloody awful, a new stadium would have to be built.
Landsdowne, the RDS and Donnybrooke are all within fifteen minutes of each other. T'would be silly to use more than one.
Pearse Park is good.
Using the Gaelic Grounds would be pointless considering how close it is to Thomond.

Now, if you asked me to put together a bid of about 8 stadiums I'd go with:

Croker - The natural venue for the final and a semi. - 82,000
Lansdowne - Home of Irish rugby. Would hold a semi and probably the third place place off. - roughly 50,000
Thomond - Cracking little venue, brilliant setup, would get a quarter or two. - 26,500
Pearse Stadium - A good ground is needed in the west. Has seen international duty before - 34,000
Winsor Park - Would need massive development, but would be as good a place as any for a few games -24,000
Celtic Park/ The Brandywell - A few games would have to be played in Derry as NI's second city - 8,000/22,000
Ravenhill - This would force them to actually fix the place up for once - about 13,000 I think
New Stadium in Cork - The city's crying out for a municipal ground - I'd say 30,000

Suppose it could be worse actually...
 
ye it mainly comes from the Leinster v Munster match at the Aviva (50,000) as Leinster haven't really played any big matches at the RDS yet.
 
Melhor Time said:
Olly

Nothing against Scarlets - Bayonne have more cash. Both options are attractive



I learned from a Welsh fan who told me what I told you - Ireland prioritize the Heineken Cup and sure they do. Look at players from Leisnter or Munster in a ML match compared to a Heineken Cup match. Look at the match results. In fact I thought it could not be so upon being told this but it is clearly the way things go with the Irish.

Munster in first place is a rare thing - not the norm. You are familiar with Irish rugby and the ML are you not...

Just incase you aren´t let me jog your memory.

Fact: the Heineken Cup is superior to the ML.

Fact: Munster 6th place in the ML in 2006 yet Heineken Cup Champions.

Fact: Munster 3rd place in the ML in 2008 but Heineken Cup Champions.

Clearly there is something wrong with Munster. And indeed there is, simply put, like I said, they field stronger teams for the Heineken Cup than the ML.

Fact: Leinster third in the 2009 ML but 2009 Heineken Cup Champions. Edinburgh finished higher than Leinster in the 2009 ML.

This season Leinster are the best Irish side in the Heineken Cup but are midtable in the ML in 6th spot behind Heineken Cup strugglers Cardiff Blues and and are the third best Irish side according to the ML. How is this so.... Perhaps priority is given the the Heineken Cup. If, for some reason, you are still in doubt then check the following out:

http://www.magnersleague.com/matchcentre/6290.php



Ian Madigan was flyhalf, Eoin O'Malley centre, Sean O'Brien in the backrow

Meaning Sexton, BOD and Heaslip were all rested. - Three key Leinster players.

Learn more about your own country before saying others are ill-founded and no need to use nasty language.



1. Nothing to do with Argentina per se. Just mentioned them because of Contepomi being in Leinster and now Toulon. He has commented about the differences in France which are relevent considering this is all about the possibility of Euan Murray playing for maybe Bayonne or maybe Scarlets.

2. Rush played one test in 1998 then 7 in 2004. There were always better players around. He was in NZ considered a journeyman much like Todd Blackadder. Ask Smartcooky for his view if you like. Holah was long gone from the All Blacks upon leaving for Wales. Blair much the same.

3. Bayonne have far more history than Scarlets. Scarlets were founded in 2003 vs Bayonne in 1904. Bayonne are better than many sides in the Heineken Cup this year.

4. Scarlets looked strong vs Treviso, but were well beaten by Leicester and Perpignan gace them a good match. Hosting Leicester and playing Perpignan away will be very tough. The need to win both otherwise they will be second in the pool as both Perpignan and Leicester will defeat Treviso.

5. If Murray goes to Scarlets thats not a bad call. Bayonne, from what info I have, will offer more. If I were offered a deal by either to play pro I would take it.

6. I stand by my comments re Munster and Leinster. A guy from Swansea pointed it out to me back in 2005 from memory.
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Sorry for the late reply to this, just saw the thread but part of point 3 is incorrect.

Scarlets were formed in 2003 yes, due to the regionalisation of welsh rugby, the team Scarlets formed from and still bare the name of Llanelli were formed in 1875.. So Llanelli Scarlets to give them their full name have alot more history than Bayonne
 
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