June International Test: South Africa vs. Ireland [3rd Test] (25/06/2016)

[Bada-Bing!]

Close, but no cigar for Ireland. Still, no mean feat to win one match in SA, especially with the injuries and playing and winning the first test with 14 men.

NZ are gonna run away with the RC based on the showings of Aus and SA this June.

England - the only NH side to win a series v on of the big 3. .

 

[munstermuffin]

God damn it Ireland!!!!

Ireland officially the most frustrating team to watch in world rugby.

That is our style. Certainly not entertaining but effective. I'm really glad our defensive side has massively improved with Farrell. South Africa are evolving nicely though

 

[Aotearoa_]

That is our style. Certainly not entertaining but effective. I'm really glad our defensive side has massively improved with Farrell. South Africa are evolving nicely though

By frustrating, I meant your results, so agonizingly close, but so frustratingly short.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Ireland Player of the Series: Iain Henderson w/ honourable mentions to Trimble and Jackson.
South Africa Player of the Series: I don't really think anyone's particularly stood out, but I'll go for Damien De Allande. Honourable mentions to the 10 (Don't know his name) and Etzebeth.

 

[munstermuffin]

Ireland Player of the Series: Iain Henderson w/ honourable mentions to Trimble and Jackson.
South Africa Player of the Series: I don't really think anyone's particularly stood out, but I'll go for Damien De Allande. Honourable mentions to the 10 (Don't know his name) and Etzebeth.

Henderson Payne or McGrath for me.

 

[JohnKA]

Ireland Player of the Series: Iain Henderson w/ honourable mentions to Trimble and Jackson.
South Africa Player of the Series: I don't really think anyone's particularly stood out, but I'll go for Damien De Allande. Honourable mentions to the 10 (Don't know his name) and Etzebeth.

#10 = Elton Jantjies and very average
Faf de klerk our best player i would say
PSDT also massive

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Henderson Payne or McGrath for me.

Henderson and McGrath definite Lions for me based on their showing in this series.

 

[munstermuffin]

Henderson and McGrath definite Lions for me based on their showing in this series.

Certainly agree. McGrath has overtaken Healy massively in past 12 months here in Ireland. Both deserve to tour

 

[TheOvalBall]

That was a hard but entertaining series of test match rugby. I love seeing these tough test matches. Not runaways like NZ v Wales today. That's so boring.
Faf was a little magician today.
Ireland really played well. If they are injury free, they should give NZ a good go at the end of year tour.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Ugh... This continues my curse! Te best result an Ieeland side have got when I've been working was a 1-1 draw to Scotland in Euro 2012 Qualifiers... Bet on Framce tomorrow. Well done South Africa, last weeks last 20 was the best rugby of the series and separated the sides in the end!

 

[munstermuffin]

That was a hard but entertaining series of test match rugby. I love seeing these tough test matches. Not runaways like NZ v Wales today. That's so boring.
Faf was a little magician today.
Ireland really played well. If they are injury free, they should give NZ a good go at the end of year tour.

I'd agree here. Interest and quality is better when games are tighter. But also teams learn more in the tighter games. But equally NZ must be admired for fact they never really have transition period they just keep producing and winning

 

[munstermuffin]

Don't have law book on me /QUOTE]
Maybe that's the problem

I'm guessing after slating me I'd at least get an apology or response? You just ran after I gave facts

 

[Tony Manx]

I'm guessing after slating me I'd at least get an apology or response? You just ran after I gave facts

MM - silence is best you can expect!!

 

[munstermuffin]

MM - silence is best you can expect!!

Just he was quick to slam when I didnt produce fact but when I got link no reply.

Anyways won't loose sleep. Games over so will move on. Better team won great battle but importantly Ireland learned alot


Just on this Le Roux has been cited rapidly. Reports were citing commisioners flagged it immediately after game.

 

[smartcooky]

That was a hard but entertaining series of test match rugby. I love seeing these tough test matches. Not runaways like NZ v Wales today. That's so boring.

Yeah, it must be so boring to watch brilliant running, excellent execution and sublime handling skills exhibited by champion players at the very top of their game.

 

[Tony Manx]

Yeah, it must be so boring to watch brilliant running, excellent execution and sublime handling skills exhibited by champion players at the very top of their game.

That's a joke right?

 

[TheOvalBall]

Yeah, it must be so boring to watch brilliant running, excellent execution and sublime handling skills exhibited by champion players at the very top of their game.

That's a laugh.

 

[munstermuffin]

For what its worth Le Roux got a 1 week ban and well agreed it was a red card offence.

 

[Tony Manx]

For what its worth Le Roux got a 1 week ban and well agreed it was a red card offence.

Quite right too in the context of other offences of a similar nature but no assistance to the Irish team at the time!

Cannot blame the ref, it was the view of the TMO that the ref relied on there.......

 

[munstermuffin]

Quite right too in the context of other offences of a similar nature but no assistance to the Irish team at the time!

Cannot blame the ref, it was the view of the TMO that the ref relied on there.......

The ban I'm 100% ok with as I think he wasn't malicious just got it wrong. I don't think he misses anything but has been reprimanded and let's move on.

As for Glen Jackson I disagree he had views on screen too and didn't act. TMO got it completely wrong but both of them made balls of it.

 

[Five Meters Out]

The great try saving tackle by De Klerk, in the final play of the game, should have resulted in a penalty to Ireland. There was no clear release of the tackled player by De Klerk, who immediately started scrapping for the ball. The Refs have been penalising similar "non-releases" all season.

 

[WaterboySA]

Faf - Man of the match.

 

[Gena_ZA]

Close game, well played Ireland at the end of a long season.
Well played Bokke at the start of a new era for South Africa rugby.
Glad we saw nearly all the spectator favorites this series in action.

JP Petersen have secured his contract for the next 3 years ...

4 Nations will tell us how many light years we are behind the formidable All Blacks

 

[WaterboySA]

I can't stop thinking that we would've been on the losing side if Ireland had their best team here. My respect to the coach and his players.

PS: I think Willie le Roux is the luckiest man in the world.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

MM - silence is best you can expect!!

Not really. I was travelling. Apologies for making you wait for a response.
I don't have a problem admitting i am wrong, but i don't think that's the case here.

I'm guessing after slating me I'd at least get an apology or response? You just ran after I gave facts

@munstermuffin. Off topic for a sec: apologies if i offended you. Not my intention. I want to argue your point, not against you.

Back on topic: rules, not only in sports but in pretty much any legal system, are based on what can't be done and what the consequences are for doing so. There are a few exceptions but that's the rule of thumb. Simply put, that means that what is not prohibited by the law is allowed.
That puts the burden of proof on your court, not mine, since you were the one stating that was against the rules. I'm not trying to dodge the argument here, it's just how the rules (and arguments) work.

You cannot, and should not, ask me which rules allow him to do that. What you should do is tell me which rule(s) do not allow him to do that. That's how the burden of proof works.

So to sum it up.

1) You said it was a red all day (#82)
2) I asked what part of the rules support such claim (#93)
3) I haven't seen a post of yours answering point 2)

That's why i found Tony's comment quite funny, since you are the one who did not answer my question yet apparently, i'm the silent one.

 

[munstermuffin]

Not really. I was travelling. Apologies for making you wait for a response.
I don't have a problem admitting i am wrong, but i don't think that's the case here.

@munstermuffin. Off topic for a sec: apologies if i offended you. Not my intention. I want to argue your point, not against you.

Back on topic: rules, not only in sports but in pretty much any legal system, are based on what can't be done and what the consequences are for doing so. There are a few exceptions but that's the rule of thumb. Simply put, that means that what is not prohibited by the law is allowed.
That puts the burden of proof on your court, not mine, since you were the one stating that was against the rules. I'm not trying to dodge the argument here, it's just how the rules (and arguments) work.

You cannot, and should not, ask me which rules allow him to do that. What you should do is tell me which rule(s) do not allow him to do that. That's how the burden of proof works.

So to sum it up.

1) You said it was a red all day (#82)
2) I asked what part of the rules support such claim (#93)
3) I haven't seen a post of yours answering point 2)

That's why i found Tony's comment quite funny, since you are the one who did not answer my question yet apparently, i'm the silent one.

Apologies for basically saying I was making up a rule as I didn't post proof. But as I said I got link to prove. What I said wasn't rule of thumb but direct from World Rugby.

On your asking for proof. I will ask did Le Roux challenge in air? Yes
Was he anywhere near ball? No
So under laws that becomes a challenge in air.
Did Le Roux take duty of TOH? No

So under the laws that comes in to red card territory. As my points again posted. So I will ask you what part of law isn't clear and I haven't proven. Lets not forget I accused noone of any BS and didn't run.
And by way posts 90 94 97 and 108 produced evidence but as I said once it was produced you disappeared.
Can I ask why Le Roux pleaded guilty too? If there was no case and was banned and citing was rapid?

Just to finish you said Facts > Opinions

And I've given facts you've offered none just opinions so again if you got facts too I'd like to hear

 

[munstermuffin]

For what it worth Tony maybe saw I did reply and well guess your only 1 who hasn't seen evidence I produced fairly rapid

 

[George Ford]

Close, but no cigar for Ireland. Still, no mean feat to win one match in SA, especially with the injuries and playing and winning the first test with 14 men.

NZ are gonna run away with the RC based on the showings of Aus and SA this June.

England - the only NH side to win a series v on of the big 3. .

It's fair to say you're only as good as your last outing, but if rivalry in sport has proven anything: statistics, rankings & even form can succumb to the pressure of the greatness of an occasion

You can bet on the Boks and Wallabies to step it up in the RC.

 

[munstermuffin]

It's fair to say you're only as good as your last outing, but if rivalry in sport has proven anything: statistics, rankings & even form can succumb to the pressure of the greatness of an occasion

You can bet on the Boks and Wallabies to step it up in the RC.

Boks will for sure. they will be better off after these test as they'll have learnt a lot in terms of new systems, partnerships and understandings

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Was he anywhere near ball? No

I guess here is where we disagree.

that looks pretty near to me.

You have 4 scenarios here but let me split them in two.
Play on and penalty vs yc and rc. The main difference is fair contest. Le Roux is off his feet, his eyes are always on the ball (same as O'Halloran) and he missed the ball by an inch. I have trouble understanding how that is not a fair challenge in your book.