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Not entirely sure what you mean if people can't change their minds and vote for something else surely the 1975 referendum still stands as the real result?
Or did circumstances change over time that meant people have a different opinion now than they did then?
I see no problem in a second vote as long as it's either on actual details of leaving or a general election and a government is formed of people campaigning to stay in.
Of course it's equally democratic for current government to do none of that, invoke article 50 and leave the EU.
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The first referendum cost £150 million, do you really want a second referendum? That's the cost of a hospital.. And you really think remain will win a second time? I don't think so.. And then what, another petition? Is there a limit as to how many referendums you can have?
disclaimer: I know nothing about politics and even less about European politics.
disclaimer: I know nothing about politics and even less about European politics.
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Of course they changed,we went from a trading block to political union. There was going to be a vote on the constitution but it was bypassed when Holland and France rejected it about changed to the Lisbon treaty.what was voted for then is not what we have now
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And we have zero idea what the deal between us and Europe will be we just voted on the idea of leaving which means very different things to different people. I see no harm in asking people to agree to the detail.
Bah the Leave campaign promised us a hospital every week if we left the EU we can afford another referendum if we're going to save that much money. Which we're not and we have no idea of the actual cost difference as both sides were taking porkies pies and if, buts and maybes. Which is entirely why there should be a vote so people can make a better decision rather than the hopes and dreams some politicians think might happen.
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oh yeah as said before it was always a political union with further integration down the road. Infact they campaigned on that very fact in 1975.
You actually think it's democratic to take Britain out of the EU against the will of its people, if the people change their minds?
I think this could be the start of the end of EU
It will be if we leave.
Good news everyone....Jeremy Hunt might run for Tory leadership!
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Err how is that good news?
it was sarcasm
tbh, I think that Johnson and Gove have to lead the Tory party now. That £350m pledge to the NHS? Other Tory MPs will renege on it saying they didn't promise it. The migration figures, the economic picture etc... Johnson and Gove set out the vision (well no they didn't, but that's the point) for the UK post-Brexit, and they should be accountable for its outcome.
I genuinely think it will be. If UK do ok, and I expect the markets will stabilise, then you'll see other members look down same route.
Ireland are kind of screwed if we can't deal with UK easily as it's our biggest market and for nany countries theybwill ask is the benefits of membership worth it. It's a debate that'd be interesting with solid arguments on both sides
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Oh right. Difficult to read sarcasm on a discussion board. That is what the emojis are for.
When did smilieys become emoji's? damn internet whippersnappers....
Anyway the "good news everyone" is from Futurama everytime the professor is about to give bad news so I thought I was giving it away with that no smileys needed.
Hunt did say any deal with the EU would have to go before the British people either in a GE or a second referendum.
munstermuffin that's why I believe any deal made with EU won't leave us better off if the ministers want to keep it together they can't make leaving attractive. Still our guys think we can get a "Norway-plus" model, I think they are kidding themselves.
I am finding this interesting but I'd rather we weren't the guinea pigs that are going to suffer.
Anyway the "good news everyone" is from Futurama everytime the professor is about to give bad news so I thought I was giving it away with that no smileys needed.
Hunt did say any deal with the EU would have to go before the British people either in a GE or a second referendum.
munstermuffin that's why I believe any deal made with EU won't leave us better off if the ministers want to keep it together they can't make leaving attractive. Still our guys think we can get a "Norway-plus" model, I think they are kidding themselves.
I am finding this interesting but I'd rather we weren't the guinea pigs that are going to suffer.
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I don't really like the idea of another referendum - I'm a staunch "remainer" but it doesn't feel right to move the goalposts after the fact.
I do think that they should have said from day one that a majority vote of the whole voting populace is required to leave, for something as massive as this.
Turnout was 72%, so Leave actually only got 37.4% of the voters voting for it.
I do think that they should have said from day one that a majority vote of the whole voting populace is required to leave, for something as massive as this.
Turnout was 72%, so Leave actually only got 37.4% of the voters voting for it.
But difference with Norway model is they still have to contribute massively to EU for that deal. However I think the UK have a lot more leverage and I know business's would prefer a Remain vote but now surely they'll heap huge pressure on now to be given deals. Also the fact Scotland and NI effectively voted to remain makes this a whole lot more complicated. But you are bang on in saying it is a guinea pig scenario
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I feel we should earn the right to vote, so if you are receiving unemployment benefits you should not qualify to vote, there was some lazy benefit Mother of 6 on the TV a couple of nights ago saying she needs a 4 bedroom house and thinks she might get one now, she is under the illusion that we will send all immigrants back to whence they came and she'd then get a larger house and increased benefits.
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Boris Johnson and Donald Trump, please god NO, it would be like having Laurel and Hardy in power.
That was said recently here in Ireland about unemployment and disability benefits people. There is a lot of genuine people out on disability but a recent survey suggested that as much as 50% are out of work that could easily work and up to 60% on unemployment don't want to work. But that these people are very vocal come elections and are easily swayed without understanding the full picture. And this in return means it's very easy for far right parties to easily get a major chunk of electorate. The 20 - 45 bracket now is easily convinced and it makes politics now a much more complicated and tricky scenario. Like here in Ireland we have a government who can't really govern as they haven't a majority. And now I will admit I'm Fianna Fail but feel for Fine Gael as they are in power but can't rule.
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I'd agree with this. For something as big as this in any EU state it should be a 2/3s majority
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