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Lol'd a bit talking to my american friend today, apparently a lot of people over there think the Dollar is now stronger than the pound due to Brexit.

I don't think they realise the kind of dramatic drop it would need to get that low.

I mean it was a hell of a drop but we are still 1.30 to the $ (roughly).
 
I remember way back trying to explain to American how badly we were getting shafted on PS2 costs.

It's still costing me nearly 60 quid extra in holiday money when I go there next year....

Plus I've already heard of board game stockista having to raise their prices.

So yeah American can be idiots bit it's not enjoyable.
 
I remember way back trying to explain to American how badly we were getting shafted on PS2 costs.

It's still costing me nearly 60 quid extra in holiday money when I go there next year....

Plus I've already heard of board game stockista having to raise their prices.

So yeah American can be idiots bit it's not enjoyable.

Oh it's a mess not doubting it, just makes me laugh a bit.
 
Depends on how you judge "strength" I guess. The pound has a higher value, but the increase in the value of the dollar relative to the pound makes the dollar stronger at the minute IMO.
 
Value of pound vs dollar:

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/871c...?w=700&q=20&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&dpr=2&

Currently at 1.295. Lowest point was February 1985 when we hit 1.052. And if you see here, it has never been that low pre-1985:


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Lol'd a bit talking to my american friend today, apparently a lot of people over there think the Dollar is now stronger than the pound due to Brexit.

I don't think they realise the kind of dramatic drop it would need to get that low.

I mean it was a hell of a drop but we are still 1.30 to the $ (roughly).

that's not how strength of currency is measured though, that's just the conversion rate... for example if currency A can be exchanged at a rate of 2:1 for currency B but within the home countries 1000 of currency A can buy 300 units but 1000 of Currency B can 400 units, which one is stronger?

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at the end of 2015, the Purchasing Power parity compared to the UNited States for the Pound was 1.1, with the recent decline in the pound I would imagine that the purchasing power of the pound and dollar are about the same right now
 
No he didn't.

Your thinkin of Oates and he did it for the rest of the team.

Scott stayed with his team till the end.

It's pretty much scientific consent that he probably would have reached base with his team if he kept going instead of waiting for death in a cold + damp tent ;)
 
It's pretty much scientific consent that he probably would have reached base with his team if he kept going instead of waiting for death in a cold + damp tent ;)

Again a load of crap.

They where 150 miles away from the base camp and around 10 miles away from one ton depot, when they where trapped in there tent by a blizzard, heavily frostbitten and failing to have met there dog team they couldn't do anything else.

But hey 150 miles in freezing weather with no dog team is nothing.

I mean you might be joking but sooooo tempted to rain reds on you.
 
Yeah way harsh on Oates and Falcon Scott. Oates especially made a totally selfless decision to walk outside so the team wouldn't have to face the decision of whether to leave him behind or not. And a sick exhausted team was never going to cover that distance in a storm. The average going was a couple of miles in that weather per day. We studied a fair bit on Scott and Shackleton in school because they had Tom Crean with them and Arctic explorers like them had a serious amount of balls. There's nothing in the world today which compares in my opinion in terms of hell on earth.
 
Don't want to go too off topic here, just give this one a read :
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scott-Amun...852&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=ammundsen+and+scott


Hunterford was a prick from the 1970's who never achieved anything himself but had a agenda against Scott for some reason and was the main cause for public opinion cooling on Scott it is also contains a lot of "facts" that have since been rebuked. I did suspect that is who you would be referencing when talking about Scott.

In fact most of Scott's critics where academics who have no idea what Scott and his team actually went through, it alright saying in hindsight this and that, but in the artic when the weather gets worse things change.


Yeah way harsh on Oates and Falcon Scott. Oates especially made a totally selfless decision to walk outside so the team wouldn't have to face the decision of whether to leave him behind or not. And a sick exhausted team was never going to cover that distance in a storm. The average going was a couple of miles in that weather per day. We studied a fair bit on Scott and Shackleton in school because they had Tom Crean with them and Arctic explorers like them had a serious amount of balls. There's nothing in the world today which compares in my opinion in terms of hell on earth.

Yep agree 100%.

The expeditions in those days was just unbelievable esp when you consider the equipment they had.
 
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That's how I would defend someone considered a martyr + national hero, too.
My point was just to show that a statue erected does not say anything about that person.
 
That's how I would defend someone considered a martyr + national hero, too.
My point was just to show that a statue erected does not say anything about that person.

Yeh that is true. But you also made a bit of a dick claim to go along with it.

I mean statues only mean as much as you want it to hell hasn't Argentina made a statue of Messi to get him to come back to international football after his hissy fit.
 
Laying out her leadership stall, Andrea Leadsom says trade must be the top priority for the UK outside the EU.

"No-one needs to fear our decision to leave the EU," she says. "We'll do so carefully, reassuring our European friends and those businesses worried about change."

She says she wants to continue tariff-free trade with the EU, seizing the opportunities to take up free-trade agreements with fast growing economies around the world.

"We want fair and controlled immigration," she says, but in a message to EU nationals living here, she adds if they are here legally, they will be "welcome to stay".

"I will not use people's lives as bargaining chips," she says.

Andrea Leadsom says she wants to give certainty to farmers and universities that receive EU funding.

"To them I say the UK government will give you that same money when we leave the EU and we'll work with you to make more targeted use of those subsidies."

Pepole who want to travel and study on the continent "will be absolutely free to do so", she says.
She campaigned to leave right? Exactly why did she do so? I mean she wants us to free to work in europe so I struggle to work out how we can have controlled immigration is we don't accept the same in return.

Sis any of prominant Tory leave camapigners actually listen to what they campaigning about at all?
 
It's crying shame I disagreed with him at the time still partially do (although had I known how **** poor our planning was and we were warned about it I'd have probably of agreed) but I use to agree with him on everything else. Still can't belive we ditched him as leader due to drinking issues.
Iraq was my political awakening. I was 13 when it happened, and just getting into politics, and Lib Dems standing against it made a lasting impression on me, unfortunately ruined somewhat by the coalition government.

I am worried that one of its legacies though, is over-correction. It would be terrible for people in this country to Take this bizarre article: http://leftfootforward.org/2014/06/blair-is-not-the-only-one-with-iraq-amnesia/

Farron's alright but I think we're a long way off from getting another of his calibre and stature.
Farron has taken the party into a position I like - back towards the centre-left and distancing himself from Clegg's administration. But his record on gay rights puts him totally at odds with liberalism itself. Friends have asked me how I can support the Lib Dems given that Farron is a homophobe. I don't really have an answer for it. I guess political parties comes as a package of views and the Lib Dems tick most boxes for me, but gay rights is one of the most defining issues for liberals and with Farron in charge, anyone can take a cheap shot at the liberal credentials of the LDs.

She campaigned to leave right? Exactly why did she do so? I mean she wants us to free to work in europe so I struggle to work out how we can have controlled immigration is we don't accept the same in return.

Sis any of prominant Tory leave camapigners actually listen to what they campaigning about at all?
Because she gets the spotlight for a day, and it will grow her reputation? I don't know.

It makes me so angry when these politicians are suggesting we could get both migration controls and access to the EU single market. It is never going to happen. It is nothing more than an appeal to the Tory members to try and get elected. I think she knows it's something beyond her control that she will not be able to deliver.

Also, in regards to the UK government giving funding to areas of the country in place of EU funds. I doubt it. I actually work on an EU-commissioned survey which identifies poverty and social exclusion around the country, monitoring one part of the Europe 2020 strategy (http://ec.europa.eu/europe2020/europe-2020-in-a-nutshell/index_en.htm). It provides the statistical groundwork to be able to know how to allocate the funds.

As for the UK government... well, the UK-government doesn't have a strategy like the one EU has, has a track record of investing in London and nowhere else, and the UK-commissioned survey on poverty is run by DWP. No conflict of interest there at all. :huh:
 
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On that article (which is 2 years old so can be forgiven) remember after yesterday Kennedy didn't have numbers 2 and 4 weren't resolved either. However they were 'anti that war' it's just the Lib Dems aren't 'anti all wars' and criteria must be met first. When we supported the Syria bombing Farron sent out a message to members on those 4 criteria and how it was met in his eyes. I don't think out policy has changed since Kennedy and in retrospect it's quite clear he was right to demand that criteria had been met.

One of major issues coalition goverment is it diluted our message somewhat. I don't think Clegg and Farron are that far apart (which would make sense considering they are member of the same party) just that whilst in goverment Clegg was somewhat gagged of expressing his opinion and then in turn couldn't get a coherent message out thinking he'd be in coalition again and didn't want another tuition fees fiasco again.

On gay rights I think Farron tries to seperate his public liberal beliefs and his more personal Christian ones and they get conflicted. It's something I do from time to time having to seperate how I should think due to being a liberal with how I do and the liberalism doesn't always come out on top but I try my best to try to adhere to them. I suppose like all things you know how you should act but you don't always do.

I made a point about Crabb the other day (it should be pointed out he categorically deny's he belive's in a gay cure) that okay he's wrong and has almost admitted he was about the Marriage Equality Act by saying he has no problem with the result. However we on left forgive Corbyn for his association with Gerry Adams and Sadiq Khan for some of the people he's shared platforms with. So why don't we with Crabb?

Farron knows the parties viewpoint and is willing to argue for it as our leader even if he is personally conflicted. Plus in politics your ever going to agree on everything.
 
Only a year ago all parties were fighting an austerity platform...

now a Tory is suggesting to turn their back on austerity? http://www.theguardian.com/politics...rea-leadsom-promises-prosperity-not-austerity

Brexit has put the Tory Brexiteers in a massive hole. Ideologically, they are for shrinking the state, but their vision of Britain post-Brexit is at odds with austerity. If remain predictions are true and tax receipts fall, and government spending goes up (NHS £100m extra a week), then it will undo literally all of the previous government's work to reduce the deficit. The Tories would lose their fiscal responsibility tag, surely.
 
On that article (which is 2 years old so can be forgiven) remember after yesterday Kennedy didn't have numbers 2 and 4 weren't resolved either. However they were 'anti that war' it's just the Lib Dems aren't 'anti all wars' and criteria must be met first. When we supported the Syria bombing Farron sent out a message to members on those 4 criteria and how it was met in his eyes. I don't think out policy has changed since Kennedy and in retrospect it's quite clear he was right to demand that criteria had been met.
I didn't think the Syrian drone strikes had approval by the UN?

One of major issues coalition goverment is it diluted our message somewhat. I don't think Clegg and Farron are that far apart (which would make sense considering they are member of the same party) just that whilst in goverment Clegg was somewhat gagged of expressing his opinion and then in turn couldn't get a coherent message out thinking he'd be in coalition again and didn't want another tuition fees fiasco again.
I agree. Worst of all, the Tories seemed to get the recognition for what looked to be Lib Dems work. But for me that wasn't the biggest issue.

Had I known the Lib Dems would have joined the Conservatives in coalition, I would never have voted for them. Lib Dems fought a campaign of being a kinder party; it's what won them the votes they did. Ideologically, they were far more in line with Labour than the Tories. It's what most of the Lib Dem support wanted. And they backstabbed the majority of their party by forming a coalition with the Tories.

They then had to support the Tories through an ugly kind of austerity. I don't necessarily have a problem with austerity if the burden of the pain is shared in accordance with peoples ability to own the burden. The coalition have dirtied the concept of austerity by putting so much of the onus on disabled people (benefit cuts), on the public sector (job cuts, infrastructure sell-off), on consumers (VAT rises), on students (tuition fee rises). To do so whilst reducing the tax burden on those earning more than £150,000 represents a real low. I agree with balancing the budget, but the strategy taken by the coalition had too much human cost.

On gay rights I think Farron tries to seperate his public liberal beliefs and his more personal Christian ones and they get conflicted. It's something I do from time to time having to seperate how I should think due to being a liberal with how I do and the liberalism doesn't always come out on top but I try my best to try to adhere to them. I suppose like all things you know how you should act but you don't always do.

I made a point about Crabb the other day (it should be pointed out he categorically deny's he belive's in a gay cure) that okay he's wrong and has almost admitted he was about the Marriage Equality Act by saying he has no problem with the result. However we on left forgive Corbyn for his association with Gerry Adams and Sadiq Khan for some of the people he's shared platforms with. So why don't we with Crabb?

Farron knows the parties viewpoint and is willing to argue for it as our leader even if he is personally conflicted. Plus in politics your ever going to agree on everything.
On some issues, I would agree. But gay rights is the defining 21st Century liberal issue, gay marriage the barometer by which countries are identified by how liberal they are. It's not something a liberal leader can afford to dither on, especially when leaders are the focus of politics. (2015 was as much an election of Cameron vs Ed as Tories vs Labour. 2010 Lib Dem success was largely down to the work of Clegg.) New Labour's illiberal politics is the reason I have voted Lib Dems, but Labour have now gotten away from those illiberal trappings, so the argument is less straightforward. And Labour won't go into a coalition with the Tories, so there's that too.

On the Lib Dems side is that they can afford to be a bit more avant garde than Labour on liberal issues. Labour can't escape the populist thinking of the day whereas Lib Dems can afford, electorally, to be ahead of the curve. Although this is perhaps more conceptual than what is actually happening. I'd like to see the Lib Dems more ardently support e.g. sex workers, trans people, drug addicts (rehabilitation over criminalisation) and immigrants.
 
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