[2019 Super Rugby] Round 1 (15 & 16 February 2019)

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  1. unrated

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    They have both been fried?
    Samoosas can’t score tries, same with stormers ?

    Edit: They both only have three points ! took me awhile :)
     
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  3. TRF_heineken

    TRF_heineken RIP #J9

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    It's more of and Afrikaans joke - "Altwee het net 3 punte" - translated to both only have 3 points.
     
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    Hmmm

    Law 11 Knock On or throw forward
    3. A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm.
    Sanction: Penalty.
    4. It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks
    on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain
    possession.

    Now in the referee audio, we hear him say that he didn't think the player was trying to catch it, but his intent was clearly to knock the ball backwards (which is not an infringement).

    This is not what the law actually states. However, I have no problem with the referee having an empathic view of what the player is trying to do. If it is clear that the player was trying to knock the backwards (which it was - fingers in front of the ball) and he fails to do so, then I see no difference between that and a player attempting to catch the ball and failing to do so.

    I would argue that is it almost impossible to fake trying to knock the ball backwards when you are really trying to knock it forwards - the hand action is in the opposite dirction, while it is relatively easy to fake trying to catch the ball when your real intent is to knock the ball forwards because the hand action is usually in the same direction.
     
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    agreed i was expecting a huge dominance from lions pack and it didnt happen. it was balanced and each pack had his domination time during the game.
    its a pity how we lost this. we could have won! we where so close so many times. those silly mistakes in the final meters. the lions got lucky also (like that ball that kramer dropped inside de ingoal. and in the first halve that obstruction... but in other occasions it was the good lions defece that kept us from scoring.
    bonilla had a poor game imo. he failed as playmaker he wasnt able to put the line to run. no depth just pasing the ball. you are right dow, he has to get used to the team and the responsability. his kicking game was ok. delguy and tucu (good to see him back and in shape) had good game. and the front rowers did ok despite their inexperience. lavanini had a good one too.
     
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    noticeable lack of kiwi chat in here :(
     
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    I think everyone is still waking up and getting to grips that the season actually started. Give it time
     
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    Ive always found it weird how inactive the kiwi posters are especially for a so called rugby nation who has been experiencing their golden age in the last decade.
     
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    Took some time to digest this past weekends games:

    Brumbies look tired in that second half, suspect fitness at the start of the new season
    Chiefs blew it and Lander took it, good on them
    Blues a different team, that is good on it's own, this weekend will tell just how much they improved
    Stormers, jeez, from arguing on the bus to what jersey to use to delays in getting to the stadium to absolutely being demolished by the Bulls - that one hurt real bad, can they recover at all?
    Canes lucky to win based on a missed kick
    Sharks showed good structure, they are going to have a good season
    Lions played as expected and won, Jags by no means out of it
     
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    So, we went to Chiefs v Landers game incognito. So as not to be recognised as Saracens fans (you know - leading team in the English Premier) we wore the fezzes, the fan garb. Well, it worked a treat. Best disguise ever! Both of us managed to watch the game totally unhindered by conversation from Chiefs fans!
     
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    canes were lucky
     
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    Maybe they factored in a patented Foley choke into their gameplan? Foley has qualities but a goal kicker he ain't.
     
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    60 million Poms, Scots, Paddies, Taffies
    60 million Frenchies
    40 million Saffas
    20 million Aussies
    5 million Kiwis

    Also, TRF is actually a UK based forum. Lots and lots of rugby fans in NZ either simply don't know about TRF or are actually active on local forums such as thesilverfern, or other forums such as Planet Rugby.


    I only found TRF back in the day purely by accident when I was in a discussion at rugbyrefs.com
     
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    Please enlighten me as to Foley's qualities? boring and one dimensional? incredibly easy to predict? God give me Quade on a bad day over Foley.
     
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    i've heard this on a lot of forums and the only thing i can think of is that when i'm out coaching/supporting local rugby in the weekends (and training nights) there a sh!tloads of volunteers out there as well. keep in mind that these volunteers are keeping our grassroots (NZ's secret weapon) alive and thriving in their personal time. unfortunately tho, by the time its friday/saturday night im rugby'd out and i imagine the army of grassroots volunteers are also.
    also my kids that i coach cant be bothered watching rugby. they'd rather play it or do something else that doesn't require them sitting still in front of the TV
     
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    you can build a plan of attack around foley. he's reliable at being foley.
    quade imo is a bit less predictable, which is cool in that it makes him unpredictable to the oppn but unfortunately to his team maters as well. time will tell and i hope quade gels with the rebels.

    foley's not the only kicker that has howlers. beudy has been known to fluff a test or two.
     
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    That's the biggest problem with Foley, he's reliable to just be him, which is so predictable that he gets picked off by Props, his cutout passing ability is average at best, while Quade is so unpredictable his team mates can also get confused it's better than having an attack that splutters out the moment the ball leaves Foley's hands and the 12 gets clapped by the opposition. The Wallabies have suffered through bland attack and predictability, it's time for Aus Rugby to take some chances and risks, I hope Quade's form continues and he gets selected this year. The Reds needed him last year and it showed because we had Boring Foley 2.0 at 10 last year in Hamish Stewart.
     
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    Pretty much agree with that. Foley is an accurate passer (for basic passes), okay at tackling and can execute set plays quite well. I think the Wallabies struggles creatively is a lot to do with their failure to get a good centre partnership going due to Kerevi surprisingly failing to make the step up. I wouldn't lay most of the blame for that at Foley's door, although I have no idea what level of say he has in attacking structure once you are 5+ phases in.
     
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    agree. in a nutshell its not foleys fault that the WBs suk
     
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    its not foleys fault the WBs backline is below average. thats a combination of all of them. i dont think quade will make a bit of difference. sure he'll bring some pluses to his attack but you need to keep in mind is the rest of his game he brings. my biggest concern is when quade panics. then nothing is gonna function. at least foley when he panics his team is supposed to knuckle down and do the basics better. "doing the basics better" isnt in quades game.
    and anyway its the WBs forward pack that will make or break the WBs. backs dont come into it until the forwards front up
     
  21. Carlito

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    There's plenty of other rugby forums around ... did you think that they would all congregate here LMAO..?
    In fairness I did read a book about the war the other day call "The Silent Division"... a term coined to describe the NZers considered an elite force back then.....they did'nt talk much but they got things done..

    btw i had a mate here this year bazwaz that was banned for life for posting team lists for pro 14 here on a so called rugby site.. lists that were benefitng those on here playing Pro 14 fantasy...so begs the question
     
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