[2024 Six Nations] Wales vs France - 10/03/24

[IT157]

Watch all the angles of Le Garrec's 'incredible' 40-yard reverse pass

Watch all the angles of France's Nolann Le Garrec's "incredible" 40-yard reverse pass against Wales at the Six Nations in Cardiff.

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Pass of the 6Ns?

Meh. Lucky and speculative.

 

[IT157]

Beard was one of the better Welsh players imo. I know that isn't saying much right now, but surprised about the amount of backlash he gets here.

 

[Reiser99]

Meh. Lucky and speculative.

Yes and no. He had no idea where it would go. He probably only had a rough idea of who was there. However, the execution was so good that it it didn't give the Welsh a chance to intercept.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Beard was one of the better Welsh players imo. I know that isn't saying much right now, but surprised about the amount of backlash he gets here.

It's because the front 5 is our main problem area and our front row are all as average as each other so there's no real selection headache there, but in the row we have 2 genuinely good out and out locks. I personally wouldn't have Beard as 3rd choice but I'm happy enough, in the short term, with him being on the bench.

From the outside looking in it seems the most obvious upgrade we can make to improve us

 

[die_mole]

Yes and no. He had no idea where it would go. He probably only had a rough idea of who was there. However, the execution was so good that it it didn't give the Welsh a chance to intercept.

He was just trying to recycle the ball. Didn't matter where it went as long as it went to his back line. Mission accomplished.

 

[die_mole]

Wales should win this.

France are so unorganized they are lucky to have to skill to even keep games close so far.

I stand by this take. Wales should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Meh. Lucky and speculative.

If he misses and passes straight to a Welsh player I would agree but he doesn't. It was risky though. Pulls it off gets applauded for it, doesn't and gets called an idiot for attempting it.

 

[dirty harry]

It's because the front 5 is our main problem area and our front row are all as average as each other so there's no real selection headache there, but in the row we have 2 genuinely good out and out locks. I personally wouldn't have Beard as 3rd choice but I'm happy enough, in the short term, with him being on the bench.

From the outside looking in it seems the most obvious upgrade we can make to improve us

The row is actually our strength currently...

Front row, back row, half backs, centres and back 3 are all far more problematic.

We dont have a scrummaging 3, a constant uneven back row with a 6 at 8, 9 or 10 cant kick a blwdi ball, centre is a mess for us, we either go with a wild card and the limited power guy, or the average all rounder and not so mighty mouse.

Adam's needs dropping, and we need to build a 15 replacement, Winnet has done everything asked of him, but let's be honest hes not ready, and theres literally nothing behind him

 

[dullonien]

Beard was one of the better Welsh players imo. I know that isn't saying much right now, but surprised about the amount of backlash he gets here.

The issue is that Wales are obviously lacking physicality and ball carriers. We have very few physical options available to us, but Rowlands is probably one of our best call carriers, yet is playing second fiddle to Beard. It's a no brainer for me. Also one OK performance from Beard suouldn't gloss over the umpteen mediocre performances he's put in previously!

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Meh. Lucky and speculative.

Wrecked here so I might be missing the joke but is this a genuine reaction? That was the best thing I've seen this championship.

 

[IT157]

Wrecked here so I might be missing the joke but is this a genuine reaction? That was the best thing I've seen this championship.

From me, yes.

 

[Reiser99]

From me, yes.

I get the lucky part, but even if it was lucky, surely you were impressed by the execution?

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

From me, yes.

Different strokes! Gotta love it.

 

[Welsh Exile]

The row is actually our strength currently...

Front row, back row, half backs, centres and back 3 are all far more problematic.

We dont have a scrummaging 3, a constant uneven back row with a 6 at 8, 9 or 10 cant kick a blwdi ball, centre is a mess for us, we either go with a wild card and the limited power guy, or the average all rounder and not so mighty mouse.

Adam's needs dropping, and we need to build a 15 replacement, Winnet has done everything asked of him, but let's be honest hes not ready, and theres literally nothing behind him

I think we're just having one of those days today because I disagree again. I think you'll find we have no good tight heads. Full Stop.

We only have 1 good hooker (who can't throw) and who, more importantly, isn't in the squad, and a bunch of okay-ish loose heads. If that doesn't meet the criteria for a problem area I don't know wtf does to be honest.

When you look at personnel, in my opinion, the rest of the pack has a lot of talent in it.

A 9 who can't kick but who has been one of our best individual players and you want to single him out as one of the main problems in our game? Nah, not for me not even close. I honestly haven't heard anyone go on about Tomos Williams like you have, he's having a good 6N.

10 I'll concede is a problem but that's more an inexperience problem than a talent one, I'd argue. Center isn't a "mess" either. Room for improvement sure but not a problem area. I do agree lack of depth at 15, and Winnett being very green is a concern, though.

 

[Jimbo]

We only have 1 good hooker (who can't throw) and who, more importantly, isn't in the squad,

Isn't a prerequisite of a good hooker to be able to throw?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Isn't a prerequisite of a good hooker to be able to throw?

It was said for comedic effect. Joking aside it's clearly a work on for him but if he could just stay fit I'd back Lake to sort that and become a top hooker in a few years.

 

[Jimbo]

It was said for comedic effect. Joking aside it's clearly a work on for him but if he could just stay fit I'd back Lake to sort that and become a top hooker in a few years.

Yeah other attributes are there for sure, things like that should be fixable.

 

[dirty harry]

I think we're just having one of those days today because I disagree again. I think you'll find we have no good tight heads. Full Stop.

We only have 1 good hooker (who can't throw) and who, more importantly, isn't in the squad, and a bunch of okay-ish loose heads. If that doesn't meet the criteria for a problem area I don't know wtf does to be honest.

When you look at personnel, in my opinion, the rest of the pack has a lot of talent in it.

A 9 who can't kick but who has been one of our best individual players and you want to single him out as one of the main problems in our game? Nah, not for me not even close. I honestly haven't heard anyone go on about Tomos Williams like you have, he's having a good 6N.

10 I'll concede is a problem but that's more an inexperience problem than a talent one, I'd argue. Center isn't a "mess" either. Room for improvement sure but not a problem area. I do agree lack of depth at 15, and Winnett being very green is a concern, though.

The row as in second I meant, front row is awful. We dont have a good int standard front tower.

I'm only banging on about Tomos because hes been poor, we dont have a 10, or back who can kick, Tomos needs to step up and lead from th front, he isnt doing that. He is a good 9, who at his age should Be a leader, but he still plays like a 23 year old live wire.
If Dupont was kicking like Tomos is currently, hed have been dropped from the French squad. We cant win games without a kicking game, our 10s are not capable, Winnet isnt great either, and Tomos is compounding the problem.

 

[Welsh Exile]

The row as in second I meant, front row is awful. We dont have a good int standard front tower.

I'm only banging on about Tomos because hes been poor, we dont have a 10, or back who can kick, Tomos needs to step up and lead from th front, he isnt doing that. He is a good 9, who at his age should Be a leader, but he still plays like a 23 year old live wire.
If Dupont was kicking like Tomos is currently, hed have been dropped from the French squad. We cant win games without a kicking game, our 10s are not capable, Winnet isnt great either, and Tomos is compounding the problem.

Bro, you're just wrong. Hes been good, one of our best players this 6N. I don't agree his kicking has been terrible but even if I grant you that to ignore all the other positive aspects of his game he brings to the side is silly in my humble opinion.

 

[dirty harry]

Bro, you're just wrong. Hes been good, one of our best players this 6N. I don't agree his kicking has been terrible but even if I grant you that to ignore all the other positive aspects of his game he brings to the side is silly in my humble opinion.

I didnt negate anything...

He should have started every game, Davies was picked to hold Costelows hand first game, and they both kicked so poorly it was crazy.

Tomos has been good for Cardiff, and kicks better there, but in red his kicking has been atrocious. You can disagree but your not the one chasing these long and shallow box kicks. Tomos is a good player who should be very good at this stage. With 2 bad 10s we need him to take control of things, and he just doesnt seem capable of that.

The sign of great players is their ability to be what the team needs of them, look at Wainright, he was always a technical, athletic pacey around the park back rower. In the absence of a leader and ball carrier he has become so much more. That's what I was hoping from Tomos, taking a bit of responsibility and pressure off bad 10's.

Instead Gatland has been forced to draft in Robert's, who is not only the inferior player to North, but also gave away 2 tries from his boot.