A Political Thread

[ncurd]

Most of the World said the same thing about Brexit and then that happened too.

I have very little awareness of how it was covered outside the UK. I know it wasn't the same length or have equal importance but was it covered in the same manner as the US in that if you paid attention you knew the arguments both sides were making. The relative feasibility of what both were saying (don't worry the UK is still trying to work out who told the biggest porky pies). Were able to weight that up to everyone you knew though obviously they'll stay in.

I'm mainly asking because I don't know in the microcosm of foreigners who are friends all of them are just as dismayed at Trump as Brexit but they are almost to a tee quintessential lefties. But as noted I know plenty of Brit's who voted to leave the EU, wish I knew some right leaning people from foreign shores sadly don't.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Do we have to do something especially retarded now or can we just be sound in the middle??

Maybe this leads the yanks to realise how stupid their political system is... A boy can dream!

 

[ncurd]

Do we have to do something especially retarded now or can we just be sound in the middle??

I think it's the French and German's are up next

 

[saulan]

I have very little awareness of how it was covered outside the UK. I know it wasn't the same length or have equal importance but was it covered in the same manner as the US in that if you paid attention you knew the arguments both sides were making. The relative feasibility of what both were saying (don't worry the UK is still trying to work out who told the biggest porky pies). Were able to weight that up to everyone you knew though obviously they'll stay in.

I'm mainly asking because I don't know in the microcosm of foreigners who are friends all of them are just as dismayed at Trump as Brexit but they are almost to a tee quintessential lefties. But as noted I know plenty of Brit's who voted to leave the EU, wish I knew some right leaning people from foreign shores sadly don't.

Not for the same duration (since this election and its escapades has been running for about two years now), but there were a good six months where there was a lot exposure to it (and its arguments), and the last month it was every where. But generally the media was saying it isn't going to happen and everyone expected it not to happen because it seemed like a terrible idea. I felt the same way about waking up to Brexit that I felt waking up to Trump, but I feel that the reaction around me has been a bit more gloomy about Trump (day of mourning comment a couple of times).

 

[Groundhog]

Agree with the person who said Clinton lost it as much as Trump won it. She had the manpower but was incredibly complacent in her assumption she could win every typically democratic state (including the blue wall which Trump destroyed bar Virginia), and apparently didn't make an appearance at a huge number of vital states. You don't fight a populist scaremonger like Trump by keeping a low profile.
Anyway regardless of who won this election the real loser is American people, who once again have been given the choice between two genuinely vile human beings. Out of 320 million people, these two mistakes are the ones they get to vote for, when decent candidates like Bernie Sanders get filtered out because he's 'unrealistic' in an idiotic two party system, where people are actually reprimanded by their peers for 'wasting' their vote on a third party.
Don't get me wrong, it's great television, but the United States would be a far better place if their political system in any way resembled that of a wealthy modern democracy. Anyway, not my funeral. Our president is a lovely hobbit.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

#Kanye2020

 

[Groundhog]

"Might stay in Trump Tower for one week
Spray Paint all the walls and smoke weed
**** them and **** y'all and **** me!"
- Kanye/Kendrick 2020

 

[ncurd]

Been listening to LBC (UK talk radio) all day trying to make sense of this.

I get the feeling a lot of people are going to be massively disappointed when they realise Trump will be like every other politician and not deliver on his promises and spend the next 4 years serving his own self interest.
Not that I would of expected better from Clinton to do exactly the same it's just that appears to be the overriding reason why people are saying they didn't vote Hillary.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Ncurd - I think you have a short memory: the US voted George W Bush in twice. If they didn't learn from voting that Numpty in and now Trump they will never learn.

 

[ncurd]

Ncurd - I think you have a short memory: the US voted George W Bush in twice. If they didn't learn from voting that Numpty in and now Trump they will never learn.

Well you could argue they made the same mistake with Obama too.

And TBF I don't think anyone entirely sure Bush legitimately won in 2000.....the halted recount is one of the most bi-partisan decisions the supreme court ever made.

I've been thinking maybe it's time for pragmatic politicians, the ones who say they can't do everything but will try their best to do x or y but admit it won't magically all happen. Sadly I don't think anyone will actually vote for that guy....

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I bet we are going to get so grade a political documentaries next year though.

 

[Amiga500]

Well you could argue they made the same mistake with Obama too.

He was badly hamstrung by essentially a hung parliament. No, worse.

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I think representative democracy as it stands is a load of balls.

Why are we consistently electing a load of lawyers that know f**k all about how things actually work out beyond their political trappings? (But they can lie convincingly without ever seemingly making the lie big enough to be called on it by a largely complicit media.)


In an era of digital communication, why are policies not much more definable by electorate input?

For instance, the electorate are asked the following every year (with answers via online response):

- Income tax changes (-0.25/0/+0.25%) change.
- Same for VAT.
- Distribution of public finances to major departments (like a pie chart they can move the boundaries of, with max movements being limited to say +-2.5% per year).
- Major foreign policy options.


Even better, further fidelity could be applied to major decisions within departments, with weighted votes being applied depending on the profession of the voter. For instance, what a nurse or medical doctor votes for with regards the NHS should have a greater input than an engineer, but that engineer would have a greater input into say, energy policy or transportation than the nurse/doctor.


Its not quite a meritocracy, but its shifting somewhat towards it, rather than continually getting f**kwits elected on the basis of false promises they have neither the gumption to, the means of, or even intention of ever delivering.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

After reviewing everything i have some good news.
Things will be great for me; i'm a white straight dude that comes from money.
I'll have lower taxes, other people will have crippling student loans and i won't, and less people will have degrees so less competition in the work force.

Only problem is i have a pre existing condition so health insurance might fek me but i'm sure I'll find a way to survive.

Things are on the up and up.

 

[Amiga500]

Only problem is i have a pre existing condition so health insurance might fek me but i'm sure I'll find a way to survive.

Even better news for you. The Donald will make a glass crater out of the world before your condition worsens, so you won't have to worry about that either!

 

[ncurd]

Can I just add I know it got very heated earlier on but I prefer this actual discourse to the one I got from my brother-in-law (the only dissenting voice on Facebook but he's more picking a fight over a ton of family rubbish at the moment).



Wife: POSTS how she's saddened by the vote.
Brother-In-Law: People voting for change not necessarily the candidate #brexit
Me: Change for change sake is a poor concept at the best of times.
Brother-In-Law: some comment about Lib Dems not winning the general election now deleted.
Brother-In-Law:lmao

Anyway it may get rough on here at times but at least people are challenged with actually you know brains without some prat thinking he's hilarious (Tigs Man aside ). If I don't actually talk to people who disagree with me all I have is the echo chamber and it's dull.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Well you could argue they made the same mistake with Obama too.

And TBF I don't think anyone entirely sure Bush legitimately won in 2000.....the halted recount is one of the most bi-partisan decisions the supreme court ever made.

I've been thinking maybe it's time for pragmatic politicians, the ones who say they can't do everything but will try their best to do x or y but admit it won't magically all happen. Sadly I don't think anyone will actually vote for that guy....

Even if that is so, they had a chance to correct it in 2004 after Iraq and still voted him in. Come 2020, if Trump runs again and there is no viable alternative again, then we're looking at 8 years of Trump.

On Obama, well his Presidency has been mixed in terms of successes and failures IMO. But to be the first black President will be his biggest legacy, considering American history.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Anyway it may get rough on here at times but at least people are challenged with actually you know brains without some prat thinking he's hilarious (Tigs Man aside ).

Wtf? I haven't contributed anything outside meme type jokes I'll let you know!

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I always get singled out.

 

[Groundhog]

3'400 posts, at least 2'100 of which must have been off topic ramblings, clique bullying (RIP Big Ginger 8), or general ****posting and you're not going to give me the daps I deserve.
(make that 2'101)

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

clique bullying (RIP Big Ginger 8)

I miss deriding that boy.