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Why won't he published his tax returns?
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Where does all the Clinton foundation funding come from?
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/...ncement-hillary-clinton-spells-doom-campaign/
When are you going to learn you cant stump the Trump?
Currently only being reported by extremely biased right wing news organisations. Suggests there's nothing in it.
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Meanwhile outside the DNC conference: (Mute would be good idea) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8f86H5DYLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgqDC_y7u9I
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Protesting outside a political rally in America man who'd have thought.
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[video]https://youtu.be/YttscNOoAjA[/video]
God I hate videos like this in politics, I mean do having celebs help in the voting anymore? Maybe I'm not with it (despite being in early 20's I have felt a this way a couple of times now like having the music I was listening to in my early teens in the Spotify TBT playlist) but it seems to me that celebs are now more likely to put you off certain politics.
Also does America not know that sooo many countries have had female leaders now?
God I hate videos like this in politics, I mean do having celebs help in the voting anymore? Maybe I'm not with it (despite being in early 20's I have felt a this way a couple of times now like having the music I was listening to in my early teens in the Spotify TBT playlist) but it seems to me that celebs are now more likely to put you off certain politics.
Also does America not know that sooo many countries have had female leaders now?
I remember a couple of the cleaners here bemoaning David Backham getting out of his ivory tower to encourage people to vote to remain in the EU. I kept my shut from saying it's stupid way to decide how to vote.
However I also know people like Oasis use to encourage people to vote for Tony Blair at their gigs and it was considered to have a positive affect.
I suppose to celebrity endorsement can work for their fans and those that dislike the celebrity probably won't hede much to their opinion.
I'm not a big fan of it but this entire campaign if Trump has his way will be about the most purile of sound mcnugget anyway (he is essentially a celebrity candidate much like Boris Johnson would be here) a bunch of celebrities getting involved make no difference. An election should be about the discourse and debate of ideas to improve a country.
Sadly with social media and 24 hour news coverage we have well truly entered the era of celebrity politics. Trump in years gone by wouldn't of made it past the first few weeks of primaries and rightly said he's a joke of a candidate.
I'm sure many people in America do know that but if you don't play "America: Leading the Way" card in America they'll think you're lying.
I've argued with Americans that a) we abolished slavery before they did, b) we had democracy (not good democracy mind but they were equally idiotic when hey left) before they declared independence.
A fair few probably don't understand how many countries legalised gay marriage before them.
However I also know people like Oasis use to encourage people to vote for Tony Blair at their gigs and it was considered to have a positive affect.
I suppose to celebrity endorsement can work for their fans and those that dislike the celebrity probably won't hede much to their opinion.
I'm not a big fan of it but this entire campaign if Trump has his way will be about the most purile of sound mcnugget anyway (he is essentially a celebrity candidate much like Boris Johnson would be here) a bunch of celebrities getting involved make no difference. An election should be about the discourse and debate of ideas to improve a country.
Sadly with social media and 24 hour news coverage we have well truly entered the era of celebrity politics. Trump in years gone by wouldn't of made it past the first few weeks of primaries and rightly said he's a joke of a candidate.
I'm sure many people in America do know that but if you don't play "America: Leading the Way" card in America they'll think you're lying.
I've argued with Americans that a) we abolished slavery before they did, b) we had democracy (not good democracy mind but they were equally idiotic when hey left) before they declared independence.
A fair few probably don't understand how many countries legalised gay marriage before them.
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I don't think the celebrity bit will make a blind bit of difference when the voting starts. That's just all part of the brash American way. But unquestionably personality politics is on the rise, although I think it's always been there to an extent.
I know what you mean by the Johnson / Trump comparison but I don't think it's fair as Johnson has a long standing involvement in politics at various levels. Both do have charisma though and that does draw people in, always has, always will.
As for an election being about discourse and debate, if only!! A fair chunk of the country would vote for a baboon if it wore a red rosette and similarly if it was wearing blue. It's the rest who decide the outcome and they'll generally do whatever the editor of the Sun tells them.
I know what you mean by the Johnson / Trump comparison but I don't think it's fair as Johnson has a long standing involvement in politics at various levels. Both do have charisma though and that does draw people in, always has, always will.
As for an election being about discourse and debate, if only!! A fair chunk of the country would vote for a baboon if it wore a red rosette and similarly if it was wearing blue. It's the rest who decide the outcome and they'll generally do whatever the editor of the Sun tells them.
I was just saying that about Johnson/Trump because are voting for the personality not the substance of the policy.
Reality is Johnson's a far better choice....
Reality is Johnson's a far better choice....
Good news that Corbyn is automatically selected in the Labour leadership race.
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Good news for who? The tories?
The Labour membership who voted for him to become leader of their party. It would have been crazy not to have him in the running. There is no real difference between Owen Smith's policies and mandates, to those of Corybn, and I would suggest that Corybn looks like a better leader than Smith.
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Isn't there an arguement that he should have support of PLP before being nominated?
Last year he only made the ballot because a few non far-left side of the party wanted to widen the debate. Still the rule is actually there to make sure the potential leaders of party have support within the PLP.
I'm just playing devil's advocate a bit here I'm no supporter of Corbyn the leader should be able to defend against any challenge. Those who nominated him last year are to blame for screwing this up not him.
Last year he only made the ballot because a few non far-left side of the party wanted to widen the debate. Still the rule is actually there to make sure the potential leaders of party have support within the PLP.
I'm just playing devil's advocate a bit here I'm no supporter of Corbyn the leader should be able to defend against any challenge. Those who nominated him last year are to blame for screwing this up not him.
Kinnock sought nominations in 1988. That a leader should have to seek re-nomination is not without precedent and makes a great deal of sense in some ways. A leader without sufficient support to gain those nominations is a disaster waiting to happen.
As for Hilary Clinton being crooked - a fine refutation of it here - https://thepolicy.us/thinking-about-hillary-a-plea-for-reason-308fce6d187c#.bjntyhm2a
As for Hilary Clinton being crooked - a fine refutation of it here - https://thepolicy.us/thinking-about-hillary-a-plea-for-reason-308fce6d187c#.bjntyhm2a
That is just one massive fluff piece TBH.
You can call 95pc of journalism fluff pieces (or anti-fluff pieces) if you want to reduce things to their simplest elements. The article leans on data as much as possible and bases its argument on it.
It has no argument and he hardly leans on it, and in the end basically boiled it down to sexism.
also this isn't journalism it is a blog piece about his view the guy isn't a journalist
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And in the latest piece of political magic from the left, a council seat in Devon is lost by Labour after they didn't put up a candidate for this. The reason? The Momentum-backed Labour nominee wasn't eligible as they hadn't been in the party for a year... so they just put them up as an independent candidate rather than pick again and field someone as a Labour candidate.
To think what bright new wonders tomorrow might bring!
argument
ˈɑːɡjʊm(ə)nt/
noun
1.
an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
2.
a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.
The argument includes several bits of evidence that Clinton is demonstrably more honest than many other politicians on at least one metric and that many of the arguments for her being a crook are based on poor reasoning and evidence.
To think what bright new wonders tomorrow might bring!
argument
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a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.
The argument includes several bits of evidence that Clinton is demonstrably more honest than many other politicians on at least one metric and that many of the arguments for her being a crook are based on poor reasoning and evidence.
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