A Political Thread

[j'nuh]

Yeh so you wonder why Corbyn and his team would do something like this when the train isn't packed? I mean the company will stand up for itself esp if they are in the right.

tbf, there are obvious ways you square both messages from both parties.

e.g. maybe Corbyn did turn down open seats, but the train was still busy? Corbyn may have let others have the seats and made the video when no more were available? His message would still be accurate. He never made the claim that a seat was unavailable to him personally, only that trains are too busy for everyone to get a seat.

Virgin's response was fairly indicative of the problem. They suggested Corbyn should reserve a seat in advance to guarantee a seat and lowest possible fares. But this underlines the problem: "book in advance" isn't a solution to people who aren't in a position to.

Whatever the case, Corbyn is right about the train services being a mess in this country. But I am not sure public ownership will make things better. If the train services were subject to the whim of the politicians of the day, it can easily end up underfunded and fall into the same problems as the current situation.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

tbf, there are obvious ways you square both messages from both parties.

e.g. maybe Corbyn did turn down open seats, but the train was still busy? Corbyn may have let others have the seats and made the video when no more were available? His message would still be accurate. He never made the claim that a seat was unavailable to him personally, only that trains are too busy for everyone to get a seat.

Virgin's response was fairly indicative of the problem. They suggested Corbyn should reserve a seat in advance to guarantee a seat and lowest possible fares. But this underlines the problem: "book in advance" isn't a solution to people who aren't in a position to.

Whatever the case, Corbyn is right about the train services being a mess in this country. But I am not sure public ownership will make things better. If the train services were subject to the whim of the politicians of the day, it can easily end up underfunded and fall into the same problems as the current situation.

Fair enough but you got to admit that Corbyns team has been pretty crap on the whole and you could easily see this being a stunt gone wrong.

Although if Virgin are not telling the truth about the seats they are playing a dangerous game aswell, and would prob have more to lose doing this than just letting the video slide (Which TBH i had only heard about today).

 

[ncurd]

Corbyn originally implied he couldn't find a seat and that'she was why he wasn't upgrading to first class thus sitting on the floor.

It took hours to respond to and they just claimed they were reserved or has bags but no one there, that's an awful lot of people needing the bog at the same time and leaving their belongings behind....

Sorry just sounds like to me a political stunt but rather than make it clear this is an example of what happens on trains he tried to make out he was inconvenienced that day....

Its poor management of a simple thing. The hours to reply certainly suggests that had no legitimate come back.

 

[Tony Manx]

"TOP OF THE AGENDA
Good morning, and welcome to our round-up of the biggest stories in the business world right now:

Britain’s economy is responding well to the Brexit referendum, according to early indications, as exports are rising, construction firms are landing big contracts, and even housing sales are relatively resilient. "

http://m.email3.telegraph.co.uk/nl/...ue_9Sections_2016_08_24&utm_campaign=DM155118

 

[ncurd]

Sometimes its better to read the whole thing rather than the positive spin.

"A weaker pound will also mean higher import prices, however – consumer prices crept up by 0.6pc in the 12 months to July, but economists believe that could rise sharply to 2pc or even 3pc by the end of 2017, as the impact of the exchange rate feeds through to the wider economy."
"Economists do expect UK growth to slow down after the referendum, as business confidence has dived, investment decisions are likely to have been put on hold, and the nature of Britain’s future relationship with the EU is not yet known.

But the relatively positive initial news indicates that Britain is going into any slowdown in a strong position, and suggests that the economy has not fallen off a cliff as had been warned by some campaigners ahead of the referendum."

Mainly it reads that the UKs order book is higher but that could be foreign investors taking advantage of the low plan. Also most major deals for larger firms were well underway before the Brexit vote. Certainly at the company I work for the vote has had zero impact on anything we were already doing that.

Mainly though its still way too early to tell what the overall impact is. The government have no idea what our position is and is under a huge amount of pressure from its own party to invoke article 50 in early 2017 which they no intention of doing.


Immediate doom and gloom was never what people like me said would happen although I certainly feared when the stock market was crashing and the pound falling immediately after the vote. It will take years to work out what the actual fallout was short term barely anything will change. Mainly because nothing has changed yet and we don't know what form that change will take or in what shape. So yeah I wouldn't read too much into early reports they mean nothing.

 

[Tony Manx]

"It will take years to work out what the actual fallout was short term barely anything will change. Mainly because nothing has changed yet and we don't know what form that change will take or in what shape. So yeah I wouldn't read too much into early reports they mean nothing."

Totally agree!!

 

[McTallshort]

Unless you travel to, from or around London on a regular basis no one gives a toss about train travel as no one else really uses it. Its expensive, hot, a bloody pain and is too far gone for any real investment. I travelled to London this year for the annual Army Navy game and got the coach which was 6 times cheaper even with advanced booking. Rip the lot up and put more roads down.

 

[Tony Manx]

Unless you travel to, from or around London on a regular basis no one gives a toss about train travel as no one else really uses it. Its expensive, hot, a bloody pain and is too far gone for any real investment. I travelled to London this year for the annual Army Navy game and got the coach which was 6 times cheaper even with advanced booking. Rip the lot up and put more roads down.

I have travelled a lot by train around the country this summer and it is surprising how full some coaches/trains get. For instance, Exeter to Edinburgh at least as far as Cheltenham where I got off was packed before the school holidays. However, with reservation, at time of booking, have never had to stand...

 

[j'nuh]

Unless you travel to, from or around London on a regular basis no one gives a toss about train travel as no one else really uses it. Its expensive, hot, a bloody pain and is too far gone for any real investment. I travelled to London this year for the annual Army Navy game and got the coach which was 6 times cheaper even with advanced booking. Rip the lot up and put more roads down.

Not everyone can afford (or is willing to pay the exorbitant price of) a car, and rely on trains for most long-distance (and some short-distance) travelling. You can't replace trains with coaches, it just wouldn't be functional.

 

[McTallshort]

Not everyone can afford (or is willing to pay the exorbitant price of) a car, and rely on trains for most long-distance (and some short-distance) travelling. You can't replace trains with coaches, it just wouldn't be functional.

Please read my comment again, the price of travelling by coach (or Bus) is far cheaper than train travel. To be honest outside of London Im surprised trains make any money at all.

 

[Gavin]

Please read my comment again, the price of travelling by coach (or Bus) is far cheaper than train travel. To be honest outside of London Im surprised trains make any money at all.

Kinda incorrect. In Kent it is generally the case that short travel around the county is the same price for train and bus.

From Canterbury to the Ramsgate is £5.60 by train, and £5.50 by bus (return tickets).

 

[j'nuh]

Please read my comment again, the price of travelling by coach (or Bus) is far cheaper than train travel. To be honest outside of London Im surprised trains make any money at all.

See e.g.: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...s-still-connect-the-worst-of-both-worlds.html

We sell off contracts on lines to train operators, who are then given the luxury of having a monopoly on the line, causing prices to go up because monopolies suck. Operators also bid high to get the line already assuming that ticket prices go up, forcing their hand. The free market only works if competition is allowed. Train prices are the result of bad policy.

Still, trains provide speed and connectivity that coaches and buses cannot match. It already takes 5 hours to get from Cardiff to my parents (Bradford), I can't imagine doing it by coach.

 

[ncurd]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938

Farage endorses Trump....

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938

Farage endorses Trump....

I imagine people in the USA will care as much about this as we do with sanders endorsement of Corbyn or Obama endorsement of the EU.

Let's face it people tend to not care what other countries or celebrities think anymore.

 

[ncurd]

I imagine people in the USA will care as much about this as we do with sanders endorsement of Corbyn or Obama endorsement of the EU.

Let's face it people tend to not care what other countries or celebrities think anymore.

Oh I have no doubt that it will have little to no bearing on the US Election.

To me it shows how much of a slimy little toad Farage is and maybe some of his supporters will see his true colours now. There are some I know that love Farage but despise Trump.

Plus it still winds me up he won't resign as an MEP just so he can rake in the cash from an institute he disagrees with fundamentally but won't turn up to meetings for.

Plus he's a hypocrite he moaned about how Obama and that got involved in the EU campaign (he was right TBF but only because those people butting in doesn't help). Then he immediately skips the pond and does the same thing.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Trump supporters in the states have no idea who farage is... Or any other prominent foreign leaders

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Farage is the kind of politician that would thrive in the USA he is very good at speeches TBF to him, and their are less Hislop types in the media that back themselves one on one against politicians (one thing I feel US media is really bad at is interviews IMO I mean you would never get a politician on a show like have I got news for you in america).

Watching his speech though it is so much more noticable how excitable Americans can get compared to the British on the whole.

got to say Trump or Hilary USA is in for one hell of a divided ride. (Brexit caused division but things are cooling abit imagine that with a American atitude).

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Oh I have no doubt that it will have little to no bearing on the US Election.

To me it shows how much of a slimy little toad Farage is and maybe some of his supporters will see his true colours now. There are some I know that love Farage but despise Trump.

Plus it still winds me up he won't resign as an MEP just so he can rake in the cash from an institute he disagrees with fundamentally but won't turn up to meetings for.

Plus he's a hypocrite he moaned about how Obama and that got involved in the EU campaign (he was right TBF but only because those people butting in doesn't help). Then he immediately skips the pond and does the same thing.

TBF listening to the speech he very tactifully used the Obama visit TBH I'm no going to tell you who to vote for but I wouldn't vote Hilary it is poltic 101 in handling a situation like that.

 

[austingtir]

Hillarys Hypocrisy....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufkHt8dgG8I

I honestly think some influential people in the black community are going to start coming around to Trump only complete idiots or wilfully ignorant will see it otherwise (which there appears to be a lot of):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoff...er-racist-dog-whistles-in-2008_b_9011244.html

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[ncurd]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37186455

Raise my taxes as opposed to cutting services!

 

[Tony Manx]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37186455

Raise my taxes as opposed to cutting services!

Unfortunately there are many people, unlike yourself, who would find increased taxes the straw that broke the camels back! I am not just talking about low earners but many middle income families and this, even though it is the DM, shows some of the problems they already face.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...xpected-bill-500-four-explain-money-goes.html