Attitudes towards Accents

[Steve-o]

Oi noobgheytards, how can you possibly put SA in one group? We have 11 official languages!

 

[Thingimubob]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Nov 27 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

The hell? You're doing this for English? We have to read ****ing King Lear...[/b]

I was clever enough to pick English Language not Literature
I fell asleep too many times during Othello in GCSEs to be bothered to try and get an A Level out of it...

Interesting points though, the whole 'Posh English' accent (also known as Estuary English) is either not popular or seen as a 'voice of authority. With what O'Roth said about Newsreaders, I;ve noticed that more regional accents are creeping into the National News. For example there's a guy with a Welsh accent (Huw something) on the National BBC News.
I read soemwhere that a lot of people from Bristol and Birghmingum really don't like their accents, but people from 'oop North are very very proud of there's.
I dont; really have a strong Welsh accent, though it does come through strong now amd them, especially when I'm drunk I can actually speak Welsh fluently though.
Oh and those of you who watch Gavin and Stacey, people from Barry don't have those accents. Those are Valleys/West Walian accents. And 'What's Occurin' is West Walian too. A real Barry accent is not far off a Cardiff one.

 

[Olyy]

I didn't know people actually said "What's occurring" untill someone on my rugby team said it, he's from Port Talbot). I know someone from Barry as well, and she barely has a Welsh accent at all

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I read soemwhere that a lot of people from Bristol and Birghmingum really don't like their accents[/b]

Not sure if you've heard the brummy accent...
Thank God i didn't end up with one of those, growing up about 20miles from Birmingham, though my mom doesn't either and she was born/raised in B'ham, same with her mom.

My Grandad received elocution lessons when he was in the RAF because he was a cockney, and sounded like a ruffian (his words, not theirs )

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Olyy @ Nov 27 2009, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

My Grandad received elocution lessons when he was in the RAF because he was a cockney, and sounded like a ruffian (his words, not theirs )[/b]

It would be amazing to see mandatory elocution lessons today. I think someone would complain saying it was racist or biased, but I can tell you a lot of people in public education could use them. It's amazing to me that kids are graduating HS (obviously speaking about the US) and cannot speak english properly. I'm not saying they choose not to, I'm saying they can't. I know you have similar problems in the UK.
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Sorry for the poor quality of that video, but it's most appropriate...ha ha ha.

 

[dullonien]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Nov 27 2009, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I love the Welsh accent, epecially when the say "Isn't it?" at the end of every sentence.[/b]

That's South Walian's. North Walians have a completely different accent, one which is heavily influenced by the Welsh language. Then in Mid West Wales there's the Cardi accent (although youngester like myself don't tend to have much of an accent atall, only the propper farmer types). The Cardi accent is one which includes a swear word every other word.

Can't find any examples of the North or Cardi accents.

Is it just me, or has the Welsh accent suddenly become very popular on tv, on adverts etc. Is this due to the popularity of Gavin and Stacey and Welsh contestants on X Factor etc.?

Edit: personally don't like the Brummy accent, but that might be due to Aberystwyth getting bombarded with them during the summer. I like the typically portrayed Irish accent, and Scouse accent aswell.

 

[bristol-iain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dullonien @ Nov 27 2009, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Nov 27 2009, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I love the Welsh accent, epecially when the say "Isn't it?" at the end of every sentence.[/b]

That's South Walian's. North Walians have a completely different accent, one which is heavily influenced by the Welsh language. Then in Mid West Wales there's the Cardi accent (although youngester like myself don't tend to have much of an accent atall, only the propper farmer types). The Cardi accent is one which includes a swear word every other word.

Can't find any examples of the North or Cardi accents.

Is it just me, or has the Welsh accent suddenly become very popular on tv, on adverts etc. Is this due to the popularity of Gavin and Stacey and Welsh contestants on X Factor etc.?

Edit: personally don't like the Brummy accent, but that might be due to Aberystwyth getting bombarded with them during the summer. I like the typically portrayed Irish accent, and Scouse accent aswell.
[/b][/quote]

Lucie Jones = Giggidy

My Aunt, who lives in Barry, always says "Isn't it". It's like the upmarket version of going "innit" at the end of words.

 

[feicarsinn]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Nov 27 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

The hell? You're doing this for English? We have to read ****ing King Lear...[/b]

Me too actually. Load of feckin shite to be honest. I refuse to believe this is better than the Gofather (one or two..both amazing) etc. Get with the times leaving cert!

 

[wigan_rlfc]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 27 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

, I am heavily accented![/b]

St. Helens, very unique accent, although it is quite similar to Widnes.

 

[jawmalawm24]

Australian accent was annoying to me when I first heard it it from a dude but Australian chicks are hot so when they speak to me I get horny so it sounds better. That's just my very honest opinion stupid I know but it's true. New Zealand and Australian accents are very similiar the differences I could tell when I lived in Australia was that they say their letter 'I' and 'A' different and they say haych for the letter 'H'

For Example:Sick, Dick, lick sounds like Seek, Deek, Leek. Dance, prance, lance etc. sounds the same as how an American would pronounce it. Can't really remember any other words that were different but I'll come back if I do.

I'm gonna be honest here please no one take any offense but I find it hard trying to understand Indian accents they talk in sylables and fluctuate so it's hard for me. Chinese accents are funny to me but I like the way they talk because it makes me laugh. I've only ever spoken to Americans while in Oz 7 years ago so I can't really say what their accent was like and plus they were black too so they always used slang and kept calling me a n$#@! because I was darker than they were.

I have no real experience talking with English people but from what I see on the tv and stuff I use to be annoyed at their accent but after listening to Kate Beckinsale speak I got a stiffy and now I love the fact that I have English blood in me lol.

 

[shtove]

Good thread.

I've heard English people say the Irish accent sounds American to them - I guess Scots, Irish and West Country people were the main early immigrants there so broad vowels and a bit of a brogue set the accent.

I wonder why the huge German population in the states didn't really influence mid-west accents, say like the Dutch in SA?

My accent is Irish - bit from the west, bit from the east - but my early years were spent in London with Irish parents. It all got a bit mixed up on the way. One thing that annoys me with the Irish is the dis/dat/dese/dem and dose that comes with lazy pronunciation - sounds childish.

The thing with the English is that you sense a bit of down-the-nose condescension along with a "luurve your accent" attitude. I think people with West Country and Geordie accents suffer the same, Welsh and Scots as well I guess.

Favourite accent is Scots - Edinburgh, not Glasgow! But I don't think accent is what turns people on - not even Charles' french murmurings. It's timbre of voice, with rich variations that come with the accent. Here's Dervla Kirwin - Irish accent, but something more than that - you judge - "tawny port sauce, hot roasted parsnips" - actually, it's just food porn!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFKE6PD_6U

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Nov 27 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

actually, it's just food porn!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHFKE6PD_6U[/b]

My Reply:
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[gingergenius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Nov 27 2009, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Good thread.

I've heard English people say the Irish accent sounds American to them - I guess Scots, Irish and West Country people were the main early immigrants there so broad vowels and a bit of a brogue set the accent.

I wonder why the huge German population in the states didn't really influence mid-west accents, say like the Dutch in SA?[/b]

American, Irish, Scottish and some Northern/ Western English accents are 'rhotic' - in other words they pronounce [r] in words like heart, part, cart etc. This is why, to a SOutherner, Irish accents can sound American.

But at the time the 13 colonies was founded, there was no such thing as 'received pronunciation' so it's possible that the majority of English accents were rhotic too.

 

[Nickdnz]

I'm from New Zealand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT6oZqYij8U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePwKYJcEOo

Our accent is nothing to be proud of. There is nothing less attractive than a really strong obnoxious Kiwi accent......



except an Australians.

 

[shtove]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nickdnz @ Nov 28 2009, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I'm from New Zealand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT6oZqYij8U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePwKYJcEOo

Our accent is nothing to be proud of. There is nothing less attractive than a really strong obnoxious Kiwi accent......



except an Australians.[/b]

The first time I noticed the difference between NZ and Aus accent was in Edinburgh on a stag party. We were in a pub to get some hangover-cure sandwiches and the waitress came out with plates in hand and said, "Who's for the bigits?" We burst out laughing, started slagging her off about what we thought was an Aus accent - rich, coming from a bunch of half-****** paddies - but my brother asked if she was from NZ, she said Yis. He knew the difference because he'd lived in Aus.

Here's Stephen Fry on Aus accent - pretty funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OluCvL0lRnI

 

[Olyy]

Reminded me of Lee Mack talking about accents on live at the apollo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMz1JJlCmY

Absolute genius

 

[St Helens RLFC]

I wish my English coursework (I did English Combined) would have been about this. You have TRF's permission to print this out and include it as part of your work.

 

[zxsw85]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 28 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I wish my English coursework (I did English Combined) would have been about this. You have TRF's permission to print this out and include it as part of your work.[/b]

How bout the Canadian accent, eh?

 

[shtove]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zxsw85 @ Nov 29 2009, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 28 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I wish my English coursework (I did English Combined) would have been about this. You have TRF's permission to print this out and include it as part of your work.[/b]

How bout the Canadian accent, eh?
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US v Canada (I prefer Canadia!) is like Aus v NZ - outsiders find it hard to spot the difference, but the difference matters.

Canadians sound like Americans (and vice versa of course), except they say "aboot" for about, and a few other things like that. And aren't there people in Newfoundland who still have Scots and Irish accents?

And I'm not taking the Quebec factor into account. And let's not forget that Americans don't shag moose.

Overall, Canadians have a lot in common with the Welsh, but they do bigger animals. And with more passion.

 

[LydiatesGirl]

wish we got to do something like this - more interesting than An Inspector Calls

umm i like the Geordie accent and the Welsh accent

 

[mohamed_ali12]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ Nov 27 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Ooooo how about the internet and vocabulary? There are no accents in text are there so is there a migration towards a more phonetic friendly vocabulary? lol, roft, noob, noobtard, noobgheytard was effectively one sentence I had thrown at me while gaming last night.[/b]

If i ever hear internet vocab like lol, rofl etc. I've just realised that i immediately think pre-pubescent American boy.

The worst thing is when you're on xbox live and they say it /facepalm