Aviva Premiership 15/16 - Round 13

[TRF_Olyy]

Agreed,
Hands a bit sketchy at times but with the amount of time out, and the conditions, it's kinda expected.

 

[j'nuh]

Healy talking sense about scrums.
We're way too happy about them being a ****show

I dunno. You have to pull off a pretty good backline move for it to be better than a penalty, and the weather doesn't make it easy to pull off good backline moves.

I reckon we'd be a lot better about it after a few seasons of summer rugby.

 

[Peat]

I dunno. You have to pull off a pretty good backline move for it to be better than a penalty, and the weather doesn't make it easy to pull off good backline moves.

I reckon we'd be a lot better about it after a few seasons of summer rugby.

My answer would be change the rules. Permit refs to award free-kicks if silly ballix is going on with the option of another scrum forbidden; make it a free kick to the defending team if the balls lying in the tunnel with the scrum not moving; also, encourage refs to call use it the moment it reaches the back of the scrum and there's the slightest pause in momentum.

I like the scrum but the current iteration is madness and that's because, as you mention, penalties > back moves. Either you have to change the value of a penalty, or change how difficult it is to get a penalty out of the scrum.

 

[ratsapprentice]

My answer would be change the rules. Permit refs to award free-kicks if silly ballix is going on with the option of another scrum forbidden; make it a free kick to the defending team if the balls lying in the tunnel with the scrum not moving; also, encourage refs to call use it the moment it reaches the back of the scrum and there's the slightest pause in momentum.

I like the scrum but the current iteration is madness and that's because, as you mention, penalties > back moves. Either you have to change the value of a penalty, or change how difficult it is to get a penalty out of the scrum.

They need to try something.

 

[bertiec]

They need to try something.

they need to get on top of the reffing farce. if the overhead cam is looking down the video ref can help advise. the reffing of certain areas of games and ignoring others is loosing teams games. for example the other week tigers scrum was shoved all over the pitch resulting in penalty tries, every scrum was fed, forget the lecture about any part of the ball and centre lines, the ball went straight to the back. a penalty offense. Of late I have seen some abysmal penalties given, not just against tigers, these have cost teams games.

 

[Every Time Ref]

I like specialist scrum referees. That and enforcing shoulders-above-hips properly.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I like specialist scrum referees. That and enforcing shoulders-above-hips properly.

It's absurd that it isn't strictly enforced.

 

[j'nuh]

My answer would be change the rules. Permit refs to award free-kicks if silly ballix is going on with the option of another scrum forbidden; make it a free kick to the defending team if the balls lying in the tunnel with the scrum not moving; also, encourage refs to call use it the moment it reaches the back of the scrum and there's the slightest pause in momentum.

I like the scrum but the current iteration is madness and that's because, as you mention, penalties > back moves. Either you have to change the value of a penalty, or change how difficult it is to get a penalty out of the scrum.

The easier it is to get a penalty, the more the attacking team spoils the contest to "earn" the penalty. On the other hand, the harder it becomes to get the penalty, the less risky it is for the defending team to wilfully spoil the scrum. Finding a balance between the two is a bit frustrating.

It is depressing how easy scrums used to be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOg7aR5sHts

 

[TRF_Olyy]

13pts down at halftime to Wuss,

Cipriani looks like he's checked out already. All the hard work he's put in on his defence has just disappeared, his "tackle" for Hougaard's try looked more like a matador.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Cips with another kicking masterclass.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I'd genuinely not play him now.
Usually, even when his kicking is as bad as this, his usual game makes up for it. He was dire today, looked like he couldn't be arsed and didn't bother with tackling.


We could've been top 6 and within touching distance of top 4 (and a game in hand) but, as usual, we crap ourselves at the prospect of doing well.

To round it all off Beaumont looks to have broken his arm/dislocated his shoulder on the last play of the game (made a great break up field but while going to hand off a player he got tackled from the other direction and fell awkwardly on his arm - stayed down in real agony and numerous medics rushed on).

 

[ratsapprentice]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ru...rill-hiding-Manu-Tuilagi-s-return-injury.html

lol

 

[ratsapprentice]

Just watching the Wuss highlights.... their disallowed try was a cracker - possible try of the season nominee.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ru...rill-hiding-Manu-Tuilagi-s-return-injury.html

lol

And there goes any more behind the scenes docs.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Serves him right.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Aye, we got off the hook big time with that disallowed try.



What's the craic with rugby teams naming sides early? A football-fan-friend of mine was asking me, and I've got no idea the reason.
I like it way more than the football method of finding out basically when they run onto the pitch.

 

[g6mcg]

I've never seen a "tackler" as disinterested as Cipriani for Hougaard's try.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Watching Wuss highlights, Sale prob be better if Cips does go now TBH if Cips carries on playing like that.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Irish and Falcons up 7-0

 

[g6mcg]

After Narraway's pleading, I'm glad the TMO wasn't used there.