Bonus point system

[sigesige00]

i think he refers to there being between 4 and 6 points available between the two sides- although it is actually 7 (4 point win and 3 bonus points)

I don't think changing the 6N is the way forward.
the problem is not Georgia. The problem is that there are lots of Tier2 nations needing more support to improve- USA, Japan, Pacific Islands and Georgia. A solution to helping all nations is the way forward, not introducing relegation to the 6N as a means of helping one nation and probably forcing Italy backwards (though if not Italy, the idea of Scotland for example having a bad year and not having the annual calcutta cup is not good imo)

Yes, I meant that the total points of both sides. I was unaware of 7-point game -- e.g. 28 (4 tries) - 26 (4 tries)

As for the 4-try bonus point, Super Rugby's system (when the difference of the number of tries is 3 or more, 1 bonus point is given) is much better.
The 4-try bonus point system can kill game sometimes. For example, Wales needed only 1 point in the last pool game to qualify for QF in the 2011 World Cup (and South Africa had already secured the 1st place). Wales scored the 4th try 38mins in the 1st half. Wales did not need play anymore.

 

[Reiser99]

Yes, I meant that the total points of both sides. I was unaware of 7-point game -- e.g. 28 (4 tries) - 26 (4 tries)

As for the 4-try bonus point, Super Rugby's system (when the difference of the number of tries is 3 or more, 1 bonus point is given) is much better.
The 4-try bonus point system can kill game sometimes. For example, Wales needed only 1 point in the last pool game to qualify for QF in the 2011 World Cup (and South Africa had already secured the 1st place). Wales scored the 4th try 38mins in the 1st half. Wales did not need play anymore.

Hmm I like the idea of only getting a bonus point if the difference in tries scores is 3. Hell it's unlikely but you could lose and still get 2 bonus points. (18-15 for example)
My main issue with some arguments here is based on how fair it is. With 5 games and rotating number of home games it will always be unfair. Surely if it's unfair regardless, you should go for entertaining.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Now it is over, I think it is fair to say that this years tournament demonstrated the value of a bonus points system. Defences are well on top and substantial passages of play involve zero activity in the opposition 22. Games are low scoring affairs, with teams routinely scoring less than 20 points (and the eventual champs only doing that twice in five games I think).

The Bonus point system is not about revolutionising the sport or dramatically changing the tournament table; it's about rewarding risk taking, expansive and entertaining play to improve the spectacle a little bit in the coming years. That was one of the worst days rugby I have ever witnessed yesterday (yes weather was a bit of a factor) and hopefully days like that will become rarer once teams realise that targeting BPs is vital if they are to win the tournament.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Now it is over, I think it is fair to say that this years tournament demonstrated the value of a bonus points system. Defences are well on top and substantial passages of play involve zero activity in the opposition 22. Games are low scoring affairs, with teams routinely scoring less than 20 points (and the eventual champs only doing that twice in five games I think).

The Bonus point system is not about revolutionising the sport or dramatically changing the tournament table; it's about rewarding risk taking, expansive and entertaining play to improve the spectacle a little bit in the coming years. That was one of the worst days rugby I have ever witnessed yesterday (yes weather was a bit of a factor) and hopefully days like that will become rarer once teams realise that targeting BPs is vital if they are to win the tournament.

The bonus point hasn't changed anything this year and it never will. If you don't believe that teams were already trying to score as many tires as possible then do you think they were trying to do

 

[smartcooky]

The bonus point hasn't changed anything this year and it never will. If you don't believe that teams were already trying to score as many tires as possible then do you think they were trying to do

Except of course, it would have in the past. In 2007 Ireland would have won the Six Nations instead of France had bonus points been in place.

Also, your assertion that"teams were already trying to score as many tries as possible" so bonus points would make no difference doesn't take into account the close loss bonus point or tactical decisions team might take to deny opponents a bonus point.

Example.... You are the captain of a team playing in the last round of a competition. Your team leads the competition, and needs only to secure a bonus point to win it. Your opponents need to win and deny you a bonus point and they they will win it. Your team is down by eight points, and the final siren has gone. Your team is awarded a penalty kick in front of the posts in the centre of the 22m.

What is your decision captain?

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

The bonus point hasn't changed anything this year and it never will. If you don't believe that teams were already trying to score as many tires as possible then do you think they were trying to do

Wales yesterday were a good example of a team entirely confortable with not scoring a try. Scotland and England have had similar periods in their history being happy enough to settle for penalties rather than take any risks to attempt to secure a try.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Except of course, it would have in the past. In 2007 Ireland would have won the Six Nations instead of France had bonus points been in place.

Also, your assertion that"teams were already trying to score as many tries as possible" so bonus points would make no difference doesn't take into account the close loss bonus point or tactical decisions team might take to deny opponents a bonus point.

Example.... You are the captain of a team playing in the last round of a competition. Your team leads the competition, and needs only to secure a bonus point to win it. Your opponents need to win and deny you a bonus point and they they will win it. Your team is down by eight points, and the final siren has gone. Your team is awarded a penalty kick in front of the posts in the centre of the 22m.

What is your decision captain?

My decision would be to ask Robshaw what to do......and then make the wrong choice