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Champions Cup - Pool 1, Round 4 (Clermont, Munster, Sale, Saracens)

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I'm struggling to understand this! :p Was he ever dubbed the new O'Gara or are you saying he's not cut out for European rugby like O'Gara? Because 27 year old Keatley isn't a patch on 27 year old O'Gara... or 32 year old O'Gara!

I back Munster to beat Sarries to be honest, they have a set of testicles far superior in size than the Londoners!

That was more a quote from the commentators rather than my view which is somewhat useless as never really followed his progress but was impressed with his kicking today!!! Him on ASM side (even at hooker) and you guys are toast!!!!

I will be supporting you in North London and hope you smash those smug so and so's all over the pitch but......................who knows!!
 
That was more a quote from the commentators rather than my view which is somewhat useless as never really followed his progress but was impressed with his kicking today!!! Him on ASM side (even at hooker) and you guys are toast!!!!

I will be supporting you in North London and hope you smash those smug so and so's all over the pitch but......................who knows!!

Oh right and agreed, ASM were superior in every aspect of the game after the 15 minute mark but decided that they should follow the champions formula of bottling the bonus point! The bonus point for Munster is huge and, Munster an inch, they'll generally take a mile and then some! Also what's with this you? :p Don't associate me with this crowd, I'm a proud Leinster man struggling under the ignorant tyrant that is Matt O'Connor!
 
Also what's with this you? :p Don't associate me with this crowd, I'm a proud Leinster man struggling under the ignorant tyrant that is Matt O'Connor!

Ah come on!! You have to support the team of your country unless they are against your team!!! This has to be especially true in dear old Ireland where you and they provide the Irish team apart from the odd Ulster player occasionally!!!!

(That is NOT intended as a political comment!!)
 
Ah come on!! You have to support the team of your country unless they are against your team!!! This has to be especially true in dear old Ireland where you and they provide the Irish team apart from the odd Ulster player occasionally!!!!

(That is NOT intended as a political comment!!)
Very true but I would never say "we" when talking about Munster like I do Leinster. I'll support Munster, begrudgingly at times, over any foreign side and Ulster unless them losing benefits Leinster. Saying "you" in this case would be like me doing the same to you when addressing Bayonne though! :D
 
Very true but I would never say "we" when talking about Munster like I do Leinster. I'll support Munster, begrudgingly at times, over any foreign side and Ulster unless them losing benefits Leinster. Saying "you" in this case would be like me doing the same to you when addressing Bayonne though! :D

Take the point my man, take the point!!!

Who are Bayonne by the way..............we never mention such words!!!!!
 
Lads back in Irish soil and well just seen the Ulster result. We need Ulster to beat Leicester and it'll really help both Leinster and us but just read through a few comments and dare I say a few things.
1. Teams who peak in Dec/Jan don't win competitions but it's about timing. Clermont were flying it last year at this time and well Twickenham is still the result.
2. I'm just reading about this dominant scrum but well we were on our 3rd choice TH prop playing LH and we did well for first half there.
3. People may write us off but Sarries will be a battle we can win and I think we still have huge game in us. Add in if the Irish teams can get to April then they'll have their injuries cleared and we will be confident on 1 off games.

Regards my comments on JJ I meant it as in he will be starting 10 more now although if he gets put 12 it'll be ok as he needs to get his decision making better. Madigan is a super player but I don't think he will get much better at kicking and he's all the attributes to be an amazing 12. Although he's a good 10 but he won't be a starter as Sexton is back next year and well Gopperth seems to be undroppable
 
From what I've seen in Europe. Clermont look easily the couilles du chien ;) of French rugby they look far superior to Toulon. I see that Toulon are top of the league and Clermont second - how are they both playing? Clermont traditionally struggle away from home do they not, is that the story this year?

I think if I had to choose a favourite French team I'd go for Clermont, they play some really lovely stuff and they have Fofana and Abendanon who are two of my favourites, not to mention Julien Bonnaire who has the Frenchest-sounding name in the world.

One of the things that impress me the most about this Clermont side is their consistency, and that on the road as well. Going over to some club's fortress, the hostile environment of even the "smaller clubs" (Oyonnax, La Rochelle...), and still being able to come out with points each time, and winning away like that, for the intensity of this league that's just special. Even last year they wouldn't do it quite like this season.
Toulon will make the argument they would be just as consistent; just they've had the most turmoil lineup wise in possibly all of Europe. They're lucky enough they're rich as hell and their procurement department is amazing that when Giteau and la Mich go down they can just go and get themselves a battle-ready Nicolas Sanchez, one of the top 10's in the world.

I see what you're saying as a neutral who's watched Toulon and then Clermont over a few weekends in the Euro Cup. Clermont, as I've just elucidated in my previous post, look flawless. They just really do. Everything they do (both Top 14 and Euro) is perfectly measured, efficient and intelligently weighed - from lineup rotation to defensive schemes and attacking direction.

I'd say this season looks a whole lot again like 2013 (rather than last year, 2014). Clermont are overwhelming golden warriors and Toulon look like the dangerous red and black pirates with a nasty attitude. Right now, they're both crazy good tbh, the Tigers and Munster this weekend were not bad teams, *at all* - they were just disconcertingly easily outplayed. Both scores should've been heaps higher for the home team, too.
They're just too brilliantly coached and conditioned, and whatever they have on the roster, you'll be sure they'll squeeze almost everything out of, as opposed to other clubs who aren't getting the best out of their guys collectively.

But back to the Top 14 season:
it'll come as a surprise to you that Toulon lead the league in tries scored (367 points and 44 tries in 12 games) vs Clermont's 3rd place 312pts and 29 tries. (Bordeaux second, Tony ;) ).
Defensively though, the table shifts: Clermont first and Toulon third (Montpellier is 2nd, surprisingly..).

Record wise, they're identical:
5W and 1L at home, and 3W and 3L away.

An important 'ingredient' is Toulon hasn't had its major slip this year and doesn't look like they will - Clermont got demolistroyed in Bordeaux (51-21 - 6 tries to 2). Flashes of the "choking" reputation, the tries piling up, piling up...almost reminiscent of the Sarries games last year. So perhaps that weak fiber still is deeply planted somewhere in Clermont's DNA, where Toulon *always* come through and don't shy away from big moments.
 
If I was one of those 2 sides I'd avoid Saints if I could. Saints are very much capable of taking either out on home turf.

Away no chance, but if Saints get 2 home knockout draws as expected, at least 1 of the 2 will have to go there and win which is a ****ing tall order. Still Clermont, Saints and Toulon are the pick of the pack and a bit better than everyone else for me.
 
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