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  1. TRF_Cymro

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    Sammy dropped him on 170 :eek:

    I am hoping NZ give a better game to the Aussies. NZ have some good players, need to click though.
     
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    I see Sammy bowled 3-0-30, and got only 2 runs, so it doesn't sound like he had a good game!

    NZ should be far more competitive than they are. We have probably got the most talented team we have had in years, but for some reason they continue to fail at test level. If they actually play to their potential I see no reason why the shouldn't beat the current Australian team, who are incredibly average at the moment (England, South Africa, or India would probably beat the current Aussie team inside 4 days!).
     
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    awesome win for NZ. I left work early yesterday and watched the last couple of hours, simply fantastic. NZ's best cricket win since I can remember.

    This NZ team has a lot of good young talent. Southie and Bracewell have a lot of potential. Boult was good in his first test and we have another youngster fast bowler coming through that made his 20/20 debut last year aged ~19 and he can bowl 145km/h. As for the batting Williamson, Guptil and Rider have a lot of potential and should be around for a long time. I've always liked the look of Williamson an IMO he has the potential to be our best batsman since Crow or Fleming (though flem was ok at best most of the time - great captian but did not live up to his potential as a batsman) Been a long time since we have produced world class test batsman - Taylor and McCullum are two of the best 20/20 batsman in the world but test cricket is another story. Have to go back to Mark Richardson to find a top shelf test batsman for NZ.

    All due respect to Mills And Martin but I've never seen them as world class. Even though at times Mills has been ranked very high as a one day bowler that is partly from playing in NZ where the conditions suit him and bowlers. Martins been a great servant to NZ as well but he always looks really innocuous when conditions aren't right for bowling and for a lot of his carrier he's only bowled in the mid to high 120km/h range. I don't mean to disrespect these guys but I'm really happy some young talent has come through to replace them. I think we have gone through a very dry patch in NZ test cricket history and I think a lot of that has been because our main strike weapon is Chris Martin :( that said I do respect these guys. they have produced some memorable performances for NZ. But for quite some time when a black cap team has taken the field without Shane Bond it hasn't had much of a chance - Vettori has been a lone ranger at times.

    What impressed me about the way they bowled was that they bowled the right line and length and kept at it. So often NZ bowlers stray or use too much variation but they kept bowling close to a good line and length at or outside off stump for long periods and IMO that was the key.

    Shame Bracewell didn't get man of the match, it's a mistake getting the Australian public to vote for that before the match had even finished. Sure if Warner had seen Australia home it would have been fitting but what actually happened was Bracewell took his 6th wicket and won the game and by that time most of the viewer votes had already been cast. 9 wicketts for the match was superb but the huge factor was that he got Clarke, Ponting and Hussy in that 2nd innings - Aussies big three.

    If people from other countries dont think kiwi's know what it's like to support the underdogs because of our rugby team. We do... Cricket is our summer sport and though the fact Rugby is now on for like 9 months a year in NZ we still watch it in hope our team can pull off something special. NZ beating Aussie in test cricket is a bit like the welsh dragons team beating the all blacks.
     
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    Indeed good stuff by the Black caps
     
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    It was a great game of test cricket - not just because of the result! It was a very nervous last 30-odd mins with Australia 9 down, but getting ever closer to the target, especially when there were two close LBW decisions turned down by the DRS.

    I can't remember a game that has swung so much:

    End of Day 1: NZ All out for 150, Australia 12-1. Australia in control.
    End of Day 2: Australia all out for 136, NZ 139-3. NZ in control.
    End of Day 3: NZ all out for 226, Australia 72/0 (needing 169 more to win). Australia in control.
    Day 4: Australia bowled out of 233 (7 runs short). NZ win!

    It was a great result for NZ (first test win in Australia for 26 years), but they are still a few years away from competing with the top test teams on a consistent basis (the Aussie team we played was very average), but we certainly have the potential in the team. There are certainly plenty of quality young pace bowlers coming through (and we have the likes of Neil Wagner, a South African who will be eligible for New Zealand in March next year). Assuming these bowlers continue to improve at test level our biggest issue may be finding quality test match batsmen, and another spin bowler (Vettori won't be around for ever). Most of out batsmen seem to be far more suited to the one-day / 20-20 rather than test cricket (Williamson is probably an exception) - though many appear to have the talent to succeed at test level, it is a question as to whether they have the temperament.
     
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    one thing that really bothers me is McCallum opening. a traditional strength of NZ has been match winning lower mid and low order batsmen.

    The likes of:

    Chris Cairns
    Dan Vettori
    Jacob Oram
    Adam Parore
    Brendon McCullum
    James Franklin
    Going back a bit guys like Shane Thompson come to mind

    The lower order were so good for NZ and won so many games. Even when the top order failed the lower order were still a threat and if at least one top order batsman stayed in he had support in the low order. Alot of the big games NZ won were when a lower order batsman got a big score.

    Heck Vettori was a #10 batsman often and he had the ability to score 50 or even 100 on a good day.

    Move McCullum to a spec batsman role opening and the lower order becomes pretty weak. also obviously since Martin has been around the low order has been very weak. Even if someone like southie can hold a bat his impact is limited because martin is so bad.

    I'd like to see the NZ team be built around a couple of principles that served us well in our strongest times.

    Being the best fielding team and having batting ability through the whole batting order.

    Because we (NZ) don't produce top order batsmen who average 50 like Aussie or other top countries to make up for that you need to be awesome in the field and bat all the way down the order.
     
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    I don't have any issues at all with McCullum opening. As someone who's done a lot of wicketkeeping (and has a bad back) I can understand entirely when McCullum says he can't continue to wicketkeep at test match level. I've had to give up keeping these last couple of seasons because of my back problems - unfortunately since wicketkeeping my strongest suit so I've been dropped down a grade because I can't justify my position on batting alone...

    If you accept he can no longer keep at test level, I think he fully justifies his position as a test match opener. He's come off a poor series versus Australia, but to be honest outside of Dean Brownlie no specialist NZ batsmen had a good series. He also had a poor game versus Zimbabwe, but in the series before that he averaged 39 versus Pakistan, and 74 versus India (including a double century). I think technically he's one of NZ best batsmen, and would probably be my first choice as an opener at this stage. I'm not convinced about Guptill as a test match opener, but we really don't have any other options at this stage, as most of the first-class openers in the country have already been tried and failed.

    I think the real question is who should be the NZ wicketkeeper. Reece Young has been pretty solid behind the stumps, but has struggled a bit with the bat. I get the feeling he will be maintained for the one-off test versus Zimbabwe, but if struggles again with the bat he could be under pressure to maintain his spot for the South Africa series. For me there are two obvious options to replace him: Kruger van Wyk or Derek de Boorder. Both a very good wicketkeepers, so it will depend on what the NZ selectors are looking for (and whether van Wyk wants to play for NZ, as he is still eligible for South Africa if he was wanted by them). van Wyk is a more attacking player who has good leadership qualities, and the ability to bat pretty high up the order, while de Boorder is a bit younger and is more likely to work the ball around, rather than hitting boundaries. Personally I favor van Wyk, but I wouldn't mind seeing de Boorder get a chance either. I believe both are more than good enough to bat at 7 (or 8 if they want to bat Vettori at 7) at test match level, so Young is certainly under a lot of pressure to score some runs.

    Both Tim Southee and Doug Bracewell have the potential to develop into very handy lower order players at test level, and the likes of Neil Wagner can be pretty handy with the bat at times too. I think a batting lineup with 7. Vettori 8. de Boorder/van Wyk 9. Bracewell 10. Southee 11. Martin/Boult looks pretty handy. The problem arises when Vettori is out, as whoever replaces him is unlikely to be near his level as a batsmen, though I do believe that Doug Bracewell could turn into a genuine allrounder at test level.
     
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    I'm not a huge fan of T20 cricket, but this catch (from New Zealand's HRV Cup) is certainly worth watching if you haven't seen it already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wq5MHIRWqQ. Certainly one of the most spectacular catches I've seen....
     
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    Sick catch!
     
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    The Carribean T20 just started the other day with the constituent nations of the West Indies teams taking on the invites of Canada, Netherlands and Sussex, its not a bad quality of T20 and the experience for some of the lesser players is critical, its also one of the few cricket events covered in Canada besides the Indian Premier League.
     
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    They're even showing it on ESPN3 here in the United States. Good stuff.
     
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    The Jamaica comeback against the Juniors side last night was awesome, it looked like they were done for sure and came back in the final two overs with a pile of sixes.

    Edit: There is an ESPN3 now, is it mostly international sports? Have you ever seen the movie Dodgeball where they talk about ESPN8 "The OCHO" and its squirrels on jet skis, Indian wrestling etc. LOL

     
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    So did any of you guys watched yesterday's game between South Africa and Sri Lanka?

    What a game!

    SA batted first and got 301-9 in their 50 overs with Amla scoring 112, Kallis 72, De Villiers 52. With Malinga taking 5/50

    Then Sri Lanka got bundled out for their lowest score ever in international cricket. 43! With Morne Morkel taking 4/10, supported by Lopsy Tsotsobe who took 3/12 and Steyn and Peterson taking the other 3 wickets.

    Our Opening bowlers really did some damage, using their pace to exploit some more bounce to catch the batsmen out, at one stage Sri Lanka was 16/6 after 7 overs.

    This was also AB de Villiers first match as captain.
     
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    Didn't see the match but it looks like it was pretty embarrassing for Sri Lanka. Given South Africa got 301 they certainly can't blame the pitch!
     
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    Yeah well apart from Malinga who bowled a couple of balls just over the 140km/h mark, all the other Sri Lankan Bowlers bowled between 115 and 132 km/h. they didn't get any help from the pitch and our batsmen smashed them all over the park.

    SA's top 3 bowlers in the match in Morne Morkel, Lonwabo Tsotsobe and Dale Steyn averaged at the 140km/h mark, and peppered them with short balls and bouncers. it was a day/night game, but the moisture at night could also not be blamed as the Sri Lankans were out before the sun had set.
     
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    Somerset have signed Chris Gayle for the T20. Damn exciting addition to an already explosive batting line up for us.
     
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    Pretty astonishing game of ODI cricket in Australia last night. India needed to win with a bonus point to give themselves a chance to progress to the CB series final, which looked impossible after SL compiled 320-4 (to get the bonus point India needed to win within 40 overs). But somehow India - who had been batting pretty poorly all series - managed to score 321-3.... in only 36.3 overs :eek:

    In other news..... second match in the NZ v SA ODI series starts in a few hours, but I don't have high hopes of a NZ win.
     
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    I just watched this on sky sports well it was the best bits of the game nd Kholi was amazing unbelievable awesome cricket.
     
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    Kohli is class at ODI level - he'd be probably the pick of the Indian batsmen for me (and there are a lot of quality Indian batsmen to choose from!). He hasn't really stepped up at test level yet, but he really needs to, as there will be some huge gaps in their test team when Laxman, Dravid, and Tendulker all retire....
     
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    Rohit Sharma will be dangerous when he eventually gets his chance. If you look at the IPL there are some explosive and quality players there.
     
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