England 2024/25

[TRF_Olyy]

I don't support the Boks so I don't care that he's brought them success,
He bends the rules as far as he can to benefit the Boks, fair play, that's his job - doesn't mean it makes the game more entertaining to watch, in fact most things he does make it a much worse product for casual viewers

 

[Geordie]

I don't support the Boks so I don't care that he's brought them success,
He bends the rules as far as he can to benefit the Boks, fair play, that's his job - doesn't mean it makes the game more entertaining to watch, in fact most things he does make it a much worse product for casual viewers

No, but Rasie doesnt get paid for that. He gets paid to win tournaments and championships.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I don't support the Boks so I don't care that he's brought them success,
He bends the rules as far as he can to benefit the Boks, fair play, that's his job - doesn't mean it makes the game more entertaining to watch, in fact most things he does make it a much worse product for casual viewers

I mean you could argue that the England head coaches the past few years have made it even worse to watch and didn’t even get any trophies

 

[TRF_Olyy]

No, but Rasie doesnt get paid for that. He gets paid to win tournaments and championships.

So? What does that have to do with my enjoyment of a neutral game?
You're arguing something completely different to what I said - I'm solely talking about rugby as a casual viewing/entertainment product

I mean you could argue that the England head coaches the past few years have made it even worse to watch and didn't even get any trophies

Yeah but I think Borthwick should be fired out of a cannon into the sun as well

 

[Geordie]

So? What does that have to do with my enjoyment of a neutral game?
You're arguing something completely different to what I said - I'm solely talking about rugby as a casual viewing/entertainment product


Yeah but I think Borthwick should be fired out of a cannon into the sun as well

Are the games unentertaining?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Are the games unentertaining?

Yep, the gamesmanshipping from RSA make them crap watches

Luckily WR move to ban the more egregious cases, but we've got them to thank for the constant breaks in play for waterboys and medics etc.

 

[BPM]

I’m with @TRF_Olyy here. Positive innovation is a good thing - personally I quite liked the in-field lift and maul they did recently. Other things - not so much - the deliberate offside at the kick off for example aren’t really in the spirit of the game IMO.

FWIW, I don’t like 7:1 benches, but as it’s very much a risk/reward strategy it’s their prerogative. I just hope we don’t adopt it.

 

[Geordie]

I'm with @TRF_Olyy here. Positive innovation is a good thing - personally I quite liked the in-field lift and maul they did recently. Other things - not so much - the deliberate offside at the kick off for example aren't really in the spirit of the game IMO.

FWIW, I don't like 7:1 benches, but as it's very much a risk/reward strategy it's their prerogative. I just hope we don't adopt it.

Every chance we will.....Earl, Pollock etc covering the backs.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Yeah what Rassie did this summer left a very sour taste in my mouth

And I was a big fan of his beforehand

 

[Saintjay]

It's not cheating It's improvised winning.

 

[BPM]

It isn’t cheating but it was disrespectful to Italy. It's basically saying “we know we're going to beat you so we're going to take the p!$$ while we're at it”. I truly hope they don't get a threepeat.

 

[Which Tyler]

But it was also cheating.
Being deliberately offside is cheating
Deliberately not kicking the ball 10m is cheating
Deliberately playing the ball from an offside position is cheating

Deliberately jumping to avoid a tackle is cheating

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

And world rugby sanction for deliberately cheating is a penalty, something SA didn't get hit with. At the moment, the SA team are acting like a bunch of shits with their on field antics. They are one step away from simply knocking the ball on intentionally when in possession if they haven't gone anywhere for a bit to force a scrum.

Exploiting loopholes is one thing, intentionally doing things to bring about the sanction for doing it accidentally is not a loophole, it is straight up cheating.

 

[Saintjay]

80% of pens in rugby must be cheating as they are through deliberate actions and choice. Hands in the ruck, ball not in straight at a scrum (not enforced anyway) Off your feet, sealing off, the list goes on.

Then it's up to World Rugby to change the laws.

Annoyingly SA don't need to do these things as to be honest there 2nd teams not far off being better than most people's 1st XV.

 

[BrokenWing]

80% of pens in rugby must be cheating as they are through deliberate actions and choice. Hands in the ruck, ball not in straight at a scrum (not enforced anyway) Off your feet, sealing off, the list goes on.

Well obviously. That’s why they’re (mostly) given as penalties.

World Rugby don’t need to change the laws, referees need to enforce them.

 

[Saintjay]

Well obviously. That's why they're (mostly) given as penalties.

World Rugby don't need to change the laws, referees need to enforce them.

But why not just give the penalty for deliberately infringement of the laws of the game.

If X Y Z is cheating and deliberate. Why bother with the rigmarole of having different laws/penalties. I'm guessing it rests on being deliberate

To be honest I'm not that bothered about SA. Bending the rules in rugby, deliberately doing something to gain an advantage has been going on for a long time. Richie McCaw, Italy vs England etc.

To me serious cheating is more bloodgate Quins, Salarysins, and Ollie Lawrence vs Saints.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

But why not just give the penalty for deliberately infringement of the laws of the game.

If X Y Z is cheating and deliberate. Why bother with the rigmarole of having different laws for what people see as cheating.

They do

9.7 A player must not:
a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.
Sanction: Penalty.

South Africa repeatedly violated that by intentionally infringing the rules. They simply weren't punished for it.

 

[BrokenWing]

But why not just give the penalty for deliberately infringement of the laws of the game.

If X Y Z is cheating and deliberate. Why bother with the rigmarole of having different laws for what people see as cheating.

Because you’d still need the laws to specify what cheating is.

If we didn’t have a law for offside, how could you give a penalty for deliberately breaking a law that we didn’t have?

The catch all is for the execution errors like knock ons when the sanction isn’t a penalty.

 

[Jimbo]

Because you'd still need the laws to specify what cheating is.

If we didn't have a law for offside, how could you give a penalty for deliberately breaking a law that we didn't have?

The catch all is for the execution errors like knock ons when the sanction isn't a penalty.

A deliberate knock on is a penalty offence, I haven’t looked it up but does that only apply when not in possession. Deliberately catching the ball from an offside position and it not going 10 should be a penalty all day long. (I haven’t watched the game commenting soley on what’s been described.

 

[BrokenWing]

A deliberate knock on is a penalty offence

Well I’d hope we all know that

I haven't looked it up but does that only apply when not in possession.

No

Deliberately catching the ball from an offside position and it not going 10 should be a penalty all day long. (I haven't watched the game commenting soley on what's been described.

It is a penalty:

Unfair play
9.7A player must not:

a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.

Sanction: Penalty.