England vs Wales - 12/08/23

[87Dreamer]

That was painful to watch

 

[Ferrari333SP]

I think the only positives England could take from this was that the defense was pretty solid throughout, and they showed tenacity in being 12 down and not giving up, charging forward, and getting points.

 

[Ceteris]

Warren take that for all your fitness

 

[AlRums]

Can't believe England will gain ranking points for that.

+.52

 

[Geordie]

Earl, Ford, Daly the positives.

Genuinely hope farrell gets a big ban and is out the squad

 

[Booboobang]

Only bright spots from that game on either side were earl, ford and maybe daly. Blessing in disguis that farrell is brain dead.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Thought Daly had some good moments

Had more bad than good imo

 

[Geordie]

Tighthead really worries me.

 

[IT157]

Earl named man of the match

 

[Ferrari333SP]

If Owen was in fact removed from the squad, who would be next in line to replace him in the squad?

 

[Protalus rampart]

9. Mitchell (assuming JVP out)
10. Ford
11. Arundell
12. Manu
13. Daly
14. Waton
15. Steward

Realistically that's the best we can likely put out imo but would rather bring in a few others from outside the squad

 

[Booboobang]

Warren take that for all your fitness

Point there, wales utterly capitulated at the end, they lost more than england won. Either fitness was the issue, or their bench was awful.

 

[Ronaway67]

If Farrell doesn't have the intelligence to change his tackling style in the current era then he doesn't deserve to go to the world Cup.

He's never going to change, a one trick pony and a liability.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I can't explain it or prove it, but does anyone get the hunch this England team doesn't wanna play with Owen Farrell as captain? Just something doesn't sit right for me- it's as if they've suddenly releases the shackles since he went off the field.

I wonder if he's a captain that's instilling fear rather than belief?

As I say, purely a hunch from watching. Completely open to critique on this one!

Feel like Farrell is the ultimate yes man to the coaches,
Every coach who has ever been around him thinks he's the dogs ********, and I bet that's because he follows their plans to a T and gets everyone else buying into their ideas too
At Saracens he's got a gameplan fit for him, and the rest of the side also slots seamlessly into the gameplan, so it's very successful because he executes it perfectly

With England our gameplan is crap and he doesn't deviate because he's there to follow it and everyone else follows the captains lead

Don't think it's a fear thing, or anything, just a **** gameplan that we follow brainlessly

Can't remember his username (sorry!) but there was a Saracens fan on here yesterday, maybe day before, talking about England's gameplans and how he's shoehorning players in to his ideas rather than building ideas around the skillsets we have available

 

[EdBirch]

If Owen was in fact removed from the squad, who would be next in line to replace him in the squad?

Probably Fin Smith or Guy Porter, depends what Borthwick wants to cover

 

[AlRums]

England vs Wales - Match Statistics - International Test Match 2023 - 11 Aug, 2023 - ESPN

Get a summary of the England vs Wales, International Test Match 2023 11 Aug, 2023 rugby match.

www.espn.co.uk

According to the stats Wales conceded 8 penalties to England's 11 and had 2 players carded to England's 1

Bizarre

 

[AlRums]

Thought Daly had some good moments

Stats suggest otherwise

 

[General Melchett]

If England want to salvage their RWC hopes they need to use artificial intelligence to create a virtual Owen Farrell to attend the video hearing and get him to admit that he was aiming for the head, feels no remorse and thinks tackle school is for losers.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If Owen was in fact removed from the squad, who would be next in line to replace him in the squad?

Slade, IMO

Don't think they'd trust another 10 enough to actually get game time, so bring in Slade and have him or Malins as backup 10 vs Chile

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

9. Mitchell (assuming JVP out)
10. Ford
11. Arundell
12. Manu
13. Daly
14. Waton
15. Steward

Realistically that's the best we can likely put out imo but would rather bring in a few others from outside the squad

Mitchell I'm sorry is a massive big game choker