Flaw in Rugby Law 12

[Kk81]

Law 12 reads :
"A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward, i.e, if the arms of the player passing the ball move towards the opposing team’s dead ball line."

In the following case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0qtuzorEM
blue 6 passes the ball "towards the opposing team’s dead ball line". So there is a "throw forward" and a scrum should be awarded to the green team. Am I right ?

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

Are you right? Technically.

You are certainly extremely pedantic

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

if they replace i.e. with e.g. it would be fine... i.e. doesn't even make sense cause the first phrase doesn't mean the same as the second

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

He does have a point. Good spot.
Got me thinking. Some times when u leave the ball "hanging" for a team mate to pick it, you could do so moving your arms towards the opposing team's dead ball line and it wouldn't be a fwd pass either.

 

[smartcooky]

Law 12 reads :
"A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward, i.e, if the arms of the player passing the ball move towards the opposing team’s dead ball line."

In the following case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0qtuzorEM
blue 6 passes the ball "towards the opposing team’s dead ball line". So there is a "throw forward" and a scrum should be awarded to the green team. Am I right ?

You're not even right technically.

You are focusing on the second part of the sentence, and forgetting about the key word in the first part of the sentence (which I have highlighted for you)

 

[FNS]

That try is good ball goes backwards all the time.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

You're not even right technically.

You are focusing on the second part of the sentence, and forgetting about the key word in the first part of the sentence (which I have highlighted for you)

Actually, he is.
He is not forgetting the key word, he just found a situation where the first part of the sentence and the second one appear to be mutually exclusive. The problem is, as mole pointed it out, the "i.e.".

 

[RedruthRFC]

You're not even right technically.

You are focusing on the second part of the sentence, and forgetting about the key word in the first part of the sentence (which I have highlighted for you)

As themole25 has already explained:

e.g./i.e. When you mean “for example,” use e.g. It is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase exempli gratia. When you mean “that is,” use “i.e.” It is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase id est.

 

[Kk81]

Sorry for being pedantic.

I like very much themole25's idea to replace "i.e." by "e.g.". Thank you !

In my opinion, it is impossible to define what is a "throw forward". I dunno why World Rugby tries to do it. The best definition I heard so far is one from a French TV commentator: "A throw is foward when the ref say so!"

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Whatever the technicalities, and I've seen the argument on the other thread, there are too many arguable "forward" passes. The "backward" pass is a traditional feature of the game and I'd rather the law positively required the ball to travel back towards the player's own dead ball line from the point of release and put an end to arguments about momentum and where the hands were pointed etc.

 

[smartcooky]

Whatever the technicalities, and I've seen the argument on the other thread, there are too many arguable "forward" passes. The "backward" pass is a traditional feature of the game and I'd rather the law positively required the ball to travel back towards the player's own dead ball line from the point of release and put an end to arguments about momentum and where the hands were pointed etc.

Under those conditions, the game would be impossible to play at anything much above walking pace. Bear with me and you see that, not only was this never the case, it could never have been the case.

Lets assume a player, running at a good sprint towards the opposition's dead ball line (DBL), say, on track for a 13 second 100m, and parallel to the touchline . That player is running at 7.7 metres per second. This also means that the ball is traveling forwards at 7.7 m/s.

In order to cancel that forward momentum, and have the ball "travel back towards the player's own dead ball line from the point of release" and not be caught by a team-mate ahead of that point, the passer will have to throw the ball backwards at over 7.7 m/s - 28 km/h. and that is if he throws the ball directly behind him! As soon as there is any lateral component, it gets worse.... a lot worse.

A 45° pass has to be thrown at 10.9 m/s (39 km/h)
A 30° pass has to be thrown at 15.4 m/s (55 km/h)
A 20° pass has to be thrown at 22.5 m/s (81 km/h)
A 10° pass has to be thrown at 44.3 m/s (159 km/h)
A 5° pass has to be thrown at 88.4 m/s (318 km/h)

What you suggest would totally change the nature of the game!