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Oh, the other thing is to take a really hard line on collapsing scrums. Treat them as serious foul play with automatic cards and they'll virtually disappear in the way that taking a man out in the air has drastically reduced. It's really only by the grace of god that more people haven't been badly hurt and I don't really want to wait until we see a case of paralysis. We seem astonishingly, almost negligently, relaxed about hundreds of kilos of force going through prone necks and backs. Especially when TMOs agonise over millimetres trying to fathom out whether a tackle is legal or not.

Might be a bit of a lottery to begin with, well diddums. Put the onus right on the players. Scrums should be a great feature of our game, but can, and should, be forced to stay up.

""It was just another scrum, then three cracking noises - pop, pop, pop," Kitshoff told Rapport newspaper."
 

""It was just another scrum, then three cracking noises - pop, pop, pop," Kitshoff told Rapport newspaper."

Yep. I've read conflicting reports of whether this was due to a collapsed scrum or not - he says it didn't and I guess we should take his word for it….and it's actually more scary that this happened, in his words, in a 'normal' scrum. But either way it highlights the risks front rowers take and why scrum culture should change and be properly policed.
 
Matt Hampson's injury was from a collapsed scrum

I remember Brian Mujati, in one of his vlogs, telling a story of a collapsed scrum leading to him completely tearing his pec off the bone
"Sounded like someone tearing wet newspaper'
 
Oh, the other thing is to take a really hard line on collapsing scrums. Treat them as serious foul play with automatic cards and they'll virtually disappear in the way that taking a man out in the air has drastically reduced. It's really only by the grace of god that more people haven't been badly hurt and I don't really want to wait until we see a case of paralysis. We seem astonishingly, almost negligently, relaxed about hundreds of kilos of force going through prone necks and backs. Especially when TMOs agonise over millimetres trying to fathom out whether a tackle is legal or not.

Might be a bit of a lottery to begin with, well diddums. Put the onus right on the players. Scrums should be a great feature of our game, but can, and should, be forced to stay up.
That's the alternative to my plan. The issue is reset scrums and also using them to generate penalties as an advantage.

Currently you have both teams trying to make the other collapse because the benefits are huge and risks not high enough.
 
Definitely against cheerleading and other stupidities like that in rugby.
 
Definitely against cheerleading and other stupidities like that in rugby.
A bit 80s/90s but Rugby could be a little more innovative IMO. It's definitely reactive rather than proactive. Although, credit where it's due, has been proactive on the high tackle front.
 
Definitely against cheerleading and other stupidities like that in rugby.
It's got to be better more popular than James Haskell DJ'ing at Twickenham

Half of Twickers wouldn't know a decent dance tune if it landed on them. The other half moan about It lowering the standards and being music of the peasants.
 
It's got to be better more popular than James Haskell DJ'ing at Twickenham

Half of Twickers wouldn't know a decent dance tune if it landed on them. The other half moan about It lowering the standards and being music of the peasants.
Or they're just too old!
 
Quite possibly both.

My quick fix in the pro game would be to call time off for scrums and time back on when ball is hooked. So much ball in play time would be saved, plus there would be less shenanigans and time wasting.

Actually, time keeping in general is really inconsistent. How frequently do you see a ref call time off yet it takes ten seconds or more for it to happen? What about two identical incidents in the same match yet one resulted in time off yet the other didn't? There needs to be clarity and a long overdue tightening up of everything in that area, fans would end up seeing more play as well.
 
Quite possibly both.

My quick fix in the pro game would be to call time off for scrums and time back on when ball is hooked. So much ball in play time would be saved, plus there would be less shenanigans and time wasting.

Actually, time keeping in general is really inconsistent. How frequently do you see a ref call time off yet it takes ten seconds or more for it to happen? What about two identical incidents in the same match yet one resulted in time off yet the other didn't? There needs to be clarity and a long overdue tightening up of everything in that area, fans would end up seeing more play as well.
Although I see where you're coming from, and I don't necessarily disagree, we would in the realms of American football where games could stretch for hours if you clocked off for every set piece play.
 
Limit replays to "good play" not "controversial decision"
 
time off for scrums would result in scrums taking forever to set. Keep it the way it is but enforce the 30 second law.
This. More pressure needs to be placed on the players and ref to set up the scrums quicker. I'd argue 30sec is too long, players are capable of 15-20sec imo.

Also on resets, ban players from all standing up before re-forming again - although the ref would need to make the difference between pen and re-set very obvious, or sides could get caught out by quick tap pens if they stay down incorrectly.
 
I think my 2 changes have already been touched upon, but the latter derives from the former.

1. Stop considering safety as the most important part of the sport. Life is risk, sport is risk, we balance that risk with entertainment, and there's a trade.
Every law change in the last 30 years has created more issues which have led to more law changes creating new issues... the 20 min red being perfect example in 95 yellows were introduced as a warning, then the sin bin, and here we are 20 years later and there are red reds, 20 minute reds and yellow cards for arbitrary reasons (look at Mauvakas incident this year v Ireland).

The safer world rugby try to make the sport, the less safe it becomes, and the more it promoted physical attributes over technical and skill.

We could take all recent law decisions, the breakdown, making it illegal to touch the lower limbs, waist or head area lol, it's literally a race first to get their wins. The sub numbers, increasing numbers for safety, making props only require 50 mins of fitness, and ballooning to over 150kgs each, the tackle height clamp down hasn't actually clamped down on higher tackles, it's just created a scenario where matches are being thrown for easy red cards, to then have to reduce the impact of a red card lol.

2. A bye product of number 1 really. Sub numbers. Allow for a bench of 5, with 3 to be used as the coach sees fit, and 2 specialist injury replacements. Make all 15 players need to last 80 mins, the likes of Antonio, and other 150kg players would have to slim down or become huge liabilities after 65 mins.
 
I'd engage with you in a serious manner but it's pointless.
 

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