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nam97

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The New Zealand outcry at the refereeing is amazing. Barnes missed some forward passes, but missed more by New Zealand. One that would of given the French a scrum about 10 metres in front of the AB posts and certainly another when Ali Williams almost scored.

The French are very passionate and often unreasonable people, but I doubt they would have overreacted to the extent of the Kiwis if they had lost. Death threats, outcries by the foreign minister, even trying to trample the credibility and objectivity of wikipedia.

I think we now know why the ref's have been so biased towards the All Blacks in recent years, ie stuart dickenson, particularly when playing in New Zealand. An entire nation will be "after them" for every call they make against the ABs.

New Zealand has provided the world with great rugby, but the IRB should consider not having the World Cup there in 2011. Honestly, does anyone think it would be safe for the refs? Could they even check into a hotel w/o being harrassed by the staff?
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ROTFLMFAO. f***ing rich coming from a yank.
 
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Brodizzle

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Mate, i have lived in both New Zealand and South Africa and i love both countries dearly. I have to tell you though that when it comes to bitching about rugby, NZ wins the world cup everytime. The sheer arrogance of the NZ media is frankly disgusting and is almost on a par with Stephen Jones of England. To consistantly hear Grant Fox complain during his commentary in the games since that tragic semifinal is pathetic. I grow tired of hearing about nations getting a chance to play the "mighty All Blacks", yes they are mighty, yes they are probably still the best in the world and yes the players are all very modest. But i don't think that they appreciate the media and particularly some members of the public making excuses for them every time they lose (i'm not at all saying you do, just making a point and trying to give some objectivity)
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All media is just as bad, SA media is just as one eyed, if they lose any games in the world cup we will see much the same as with the AB's....
 
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klinthicum

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The New Zealand outcry at the refereeing is amazing. Barnes missed some forward passes, but missed more by New Zealand. One that would of given the French a scrum about 10 metres in front of the AB posts and certainly another when Ali Williams almost scored.

The French are very passionate and often unreasonable people, but I doubt they would have overreacted to the extent of the Kiwis if they had lost. Death threats, outcries by the foreign minister, even trying to trample the credibility and objectivity of wikipedia.

I think we now know why the ref's have been so biased towards the All Blacks in recent years, ie stuart dickenson, particularly when playing in New Zealand. An entire nation will be "after them" for every call they make against the ABs.

New Zealand has provided the world with great rugby, but the IRB should consider not having the World Cup there in 2011. Honestly, does anyone think it would be safe for the refs? Could they even check into a hotel w/o being harrassed by the staff?
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ROTFLMFAO. f***ing rich coming from a yank.
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Such a well thought out response, exactly the sort I would expect from a Kiwi

FYI, the French just lost, at home with probably their best world cup team ever (this was probably their best chance to win it all) .
Let's compare the reactions of these ousted squads(the french and abs) in the days to come. I'm sure if we look hard enough we can find a couple of calls or no calls Kaplan did or didn't make, which of course cost the French their entire world cup.

I doubt that we will see such great hatred of Kaplan.


On another note. We trusted our World Cup to Peter Thorburn, a kiwi, and paid him a very handsome salary which many people think was too high, but the decision was made to give him such a high salary to ensure that he would give us his devoted attention....Just one week after the USA ended their world cup matches, winning none, instead of communicating with the USA staff and addressing the positives, negatives, what the USA could do better in future world cups,etc etc. He writes an article blasting Referee Wayne Barnes for his display in the New Zealand v. France game.
 
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Brodizzle

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Such a well thought out response, exactly the sort I would expect from a Kiwi
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Yeah alright mate, he is a single Kiwi, and one who is often outspoken, like the Bill O'Reilly of the Kiwi posters on here....yet you say all Kiwi's are like that....you would think all the bad press the US get for a few chosen individuals (see: idiots) that you would be more understanding and less quick to group one persons actions into a stereotype for all of his nation....
 
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nam97

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The New Zealand outcry at the refereeing is amazing. Barnes missed some forward passes, but missed more by New Zealand. One that would of given the French a scrum about 10 metres in front of the AB posts and certainly another when Ali Williams almost scored.

The French are very passionate and often unreasonable people, but I doubt they would have overreacted to the extent of the Kiwis if they had lost. Death threats, outcries by the foreign minister, even trying to trample the credibility and objectivity of wikipedia.

I think we now know why the ref's have been so biased towards the All Blacks in recent years, ie stuart dickenson, particularly when playing in New Zealand. An entire nation will be "after them" for every call they make against the ABs.

New Zealand has provided the world with great rugby, but the IRB should consider not having the World Cup there in 2011. Honestly, does anyone think it would be safe for the refs? Could they even check into a hotel w/o being harrassed by the staff?
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ROTFLMFAO. f***ing rich coming from a yank.
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Such a well thought out response, exactly the sort I would expect from a Kiwi

FYI, the French just lost, at home with probably their best world cup team ever (this was probably their best chance to win it all) .
Let's compare the reactions of these ousted squads(the french and abs) in the days to come. I'm sure if we look hard enough we can find a couple of calls or no calls Kaplan did or didn't make, which of course cost the French their entire world cup.

I doubt that we will see such great hatred of Kaplan.


On another note. We trusted our World Cup to Peter Thorburn, a kiwi, and paid him a very handsome salary which many people think was too high, but the decision was made to give him such a high salary to ensure that he would give us his devoted attention....Just one week after the USA ended their world cup matches, winning none, instead of communicating with the USA staff and addressing the positives, negatives, what the USA could do better in future world cups,etc etc. He writes an article blasting Referee Wayne Barnes for his display in the New Zealand v. France game.
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What response were you expecting on the basis of your well thought out comment on saying the RWC shouldn't be in NZ based on the fact refs won't be safe? That's just dumb, we might love our Rugby but we're not Football hooligans. We give the ref a little **** here and there but to say we are a threat to their safety is just insane. Your an idiot for even believing a site such as wikipedia, so I think the response I gave you was worth more credit than you actually deserved.

Once again, this post obviously displays you haven't a clue on the history of Rugby. You say this is possibly the best French RWC team ever? Oh my, where have you been. Remember the great French teams of '87 and '99? Your telling me a French which lost in it's opening game at home, in Paris, against the Pumas is great? A team that had a scrappy 2 point win over NZ in a 1/4 final, and a team which lost against England once again at home in Paris in a semi final, which as you said was their best shot at winning........ a great team?

And what's all this talk about Kaplan? He had a great performance, who apart from Barnes pulled 2 forward passes up from France. How did he cost France the world cup? Szarzewski gave a high shot right in front of the sticks which ultimately killed France. Are you saying that wasn't a penalty? If not, how did Kaplan's performance cost France the game?
 
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KZNSharksFan

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Mate, i have lived in both New Zealand and South Africa and i love both countries dearly. I have to tell you though that when it comes to bitching about rugby, NZ wins the world cup everytime. The sheer arrogance of the NZ media is frankly disgusting and is almost on a par with Stephen Jones of England. To consistantly hear Grant Fox complain during his commentary in the games since that tragic semifinal is pathetic. I grow tired of hearing about nations getting a chance to play the "mighty All Blacks", yes they are mighty, yes they are probably still the best in the world and yes the players are all very modest. But i don't think that they appreciate the media and particularly some members of the public making excuses for them every time they lose (i'm not at all saying you do, just making a point and trying to give some objectivity)
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All media is just as bad, SA media is just as one eyed, if they lose any games in the world cup we will see much the same as with the AB's....
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The thing is the media in SA isnt as bad as here(NZ). I know this for certain from first hand experience
 
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fcukernaut

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On another note. We trusted our World Cup to Peter Thorburn, a kiwi, and paid him a very handsome salary which many people think was too high, but the decision was made to give him such a high salary to ensure that he would give us his devoted attention....Just one week after the USA ended their world cup matches, winning none, instead of communicating with the USA staff and addressing the positives, negatives, what the USA could do better in future world cups,etc etc. He writes an article blasting Referee Wayne Barnes for his display in the New Zealand v. France game.[/b]


And what precisely did you want from him? He gave you, what was undoubtedly the best World Cup an American team has ever seen, from a team that was astonishingly poor and lacking in talent. A team that just months before the world cup lost by 50 to Canada. He got these American players to play far above their capabilities and you want to slag him, for what one article?

As you said it was one week after the US went home. Can a full proper analysis of game plans, warm up sessions, training sessions, player improvements and deficiencies, managerial strategies and off field issues be made only one week after the event? And who's to say that he hasn't had consistent on going talks with upper management?



To me, he's definitly money well spent.
 
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