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I was just thinking recently about the 1995 RWC (one of my first rugby memories) and the 2003 RWC, and how they both had a profound impact on my life/memories. The recent world cups haven't seemed like the players are putting their hearts into it. I remember in 2003 players from many teams crying before and after the games, nowadays its very rare to see that. I'm just wondering if anyone else feels they've lost the parts that made them a world event.
 
1) You don't need to cry when you lose to the AB's
2) Did you watch NZ vs France in 2007? Specifically the after match scenes?
3) Have you ever seen a team celebrate like Japan vs SA last year?
 
I was just thinking recently about the 1995 RWC (one of my first rugby memories) and the 2003 RWC, and how they both had a profound impact on my life/memories. The recent world cups haven't seemed like the players are putting their hearts into it. I remember in 2003 players from many teams crying before and after the games, nowadays its very rare to see that. I'm just wondering if anyone else feels they've lost the parts that made them a world event.

I think it may be more of a case of nostalgia or being a bit more disconnected from the tournament on your side of things. I thought last year's tournament was a great event. Perhaps you maybe feel that way as well because the team that was expected to win won the last two tournaments? I felt a bit disconnected from the 2011 World Cup but that was because games were played when I was at varsity or early in the morning when I couldn't really watch them. This last tournament I could watch all the matches in my time zone and even went to London for the NZ-SA semi. Definitely no lack of passion from any of the players.
 
I was just thinking recently about the 1995 RWC (one of my first rugby memories) and the 2003 RWC, and how they both had a profound impact on my life/memories. The recent world cups haven't seemed like the players are putting their hearts into it. I remember in 2003 players from many teams crying before and after the games, nowadays its very rare to see that. I'm just wondering if anyone else feels they've lost the parts that made them a world event.

Well I for one still have fond memories of last year's WC. I think it differs for a nation at a certain WC and how their team performed perhaps. If you ask any Saffa, which WC they least want to remember or have the least memories of, it would be the 2003 WC and the "Kamp Staaldraad" debacle. I still have great memories of the '95 WC (for obvious reasons). The 1999 WC, the best memory I have was Jannie De Beer kicking 5 Drop goals.

What was interesting to me personally about last year's WC was how I reacted to not only the SA games, but most games I watched. At some points it felt like my heart is racing and I need to calm down. I loved last year's tournament and I can't wait for the next tournament.
 
Personally, I thought last year's RWC really was the best RWC to date in terms of quality of rugby played, despite England going out. It helped that I attended 4 of the matches.

Favourite RWCs so far: 2015, 2003, 1995

Least favourite: 1999, 2007 and 2011.

For me it helped if the final is memorable.
 
Well I for one still have fond memories of last year's WC. I think it differs for a nation at a certain WC and how their team performed perhaps. If you ask any Saffa, which WC they least want to remember or have the least memories of, it would be the 2003 WC and the "Kamp Staaldraad" debacle. I still have great memories of the '95 WC (for obvious reasons). The 1999 WC, the best memory I have was Jannie De Beer kicking 5 Drop goals.

What was interesting to me personally about last year's WC was how I reacted to not only the SA games, but most games I watched. At some points it felt like my heart is racing and I need to calm down. I loved last year's tournament and I can't wait for the next tournament.

It was a great tournament don't get me wrong. I watched the final and my heart raced the whole way through. I just remember leading in previous years walking up caxton street in Queensland and seeing jerseys from all countries around, this year I scaresly saw any one in jerseys (other than the AB's supporters, but they wear their jerseys to Reds games so that doesn't count). I remember 2007 fondly. Perhaps the nostalga I felt seeing the legends of their era's play in 95/99/03 affects my feelings towards modern world cups.
I don't feel the connection to the players I used to feel.
Like when the Springboks joined Samoa for the prayer after the game, I think that really showed the spirit of rugby. Or when Tonga challenged the Haka at Suncorp in 2003. Or even when Caucau tore through the French at Suncorp.
It must just be me but the highpoint of last years world cup for me was Japan's celebration after their victory over South Africa.

For me my favourite world cups have been
2003 - Witnessing Wilkinson's kick to end my teams campaign was equally thrilling as it was heartbreaking. I went to four games at Suncorp that world cup and for me France vs Fiji was the best game I've witnessed in person aside from the Reds finals campaign in 2011 (Suncorp stadium at capacity was a sight to behold when the Reds won)
1995 - My mum and dad introduced me to rugby and a monster named Jonah Lomu.
2007 - I've collected a players fit jersey of every team from 2007. My prized posession being a match worn and signed Chris Latham Jersey and a 2007 Springbok jersey (Unworn)
 
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It was a great tournament don't get me wrong. I watched the final and my heart raced the whole way through. I just remember leading in previous years walking up caxton street in Queensland and seeing jerseys from all countries around, this year I scaresly saw any one in jerseys (other than the AB's supporters, but they wear their jerseys to Reds games so that doesn't count). I remember 2007 fondly. Perhaps the nostalga I felt seeing the legends of their era's play in 95/99/03 affects my feelings towards modern world cups.
I don't feel the connection to the players I used to feel.
Like when the Springboks joined Samoa for the prayer after the game, I think that really showed the spirit of rugby. Or when Tonga challenged the Haka at Suncorp in 2003. Or even when Caucau tore through the French at Suncorp.
It must just be me but the highpoint of last years world cup for me was Japan's celebration after their victory over South Africa.

And for me that was the lowest point.

In SA we have a wonderful initiative when there are big sporting events. For instance, during last year's WC, we were allowed to wear our Springbok Jerseys to work on fridays, and Parliament named it "Friday Bok Day". Every Friday you would see green jerseys and shirts everywhere. And that initiative started during the 2010 FIFA WC.

Off the top of my head, the high points for me about last year's WC was:
Wales beating England
Fourie Du Preez's try against Wales
Scotland vs Australia QF (the entire match)
All SH semi-finals
 
I am up here in London until the end of the year when I will finish my 17 year run by returning to Gods zone.
I can tell you the England fans pain at watching Robshaw make 'that' decision that led directly to a loss against Wales was palpable here in London. I'm in the west not far from Twickenham and you could have heard a pin drop among the English fans.
Eddie Jones worked his magic over a second string Springbok side who were in horror as they watched history unfold before them. The greatest rugby giant killing in living memory and the neutrals stood as one to applaud the Japanese team for their incredible effort, courage and belief.
Then we went to Cardiff to watch the AB's in the quarter final against France and the sheer very public jubilation among the Welsh folk there that not only were Wales in the quarter final, more importantly England were not. The Welsh were overjoyed.
The AB's laid to rest quite a few ghosts that day, not least the memories of 2007 at the same ground.
"Allez les Blues... ah no... 62 !"

Then the dawning in the minds of all the northern hemisphere fans that the semi-finals didn't contain any of their teams... something was going on in the southern hemisphere that is giving the southern teams the edge... but what was it... "...surely it can't be that paltry little Rugby Championship with the ridiculous home and away format can it?"
This world cup has given the northern hemisphere (excepting Japan) plenty to think about and ruminate upon.

WE just witnessed the most successful rugby world cup ever and the southern hemisphere teams all did themselves proud.
The Boks showed their calibre and their spirit in the semi's, they didn't give the All Blacks an inch, the Aussies made the final with a suspect front row and essentially a brand new coach, they put the hosts to the sword at Fortress Twickenham with a classy display along the way and the Pumas did great work getting passed Ireland and securing the semi final berth.

The obvious highlights as an All Black fan were being able to fully discard the notions that we are chokers, flat track bullies and survive as glory boys in the running game but lack talent with the boot.
Eight long years of gloating rights never hurts either but there is still truck loads of rugby in the intervening years between RWC's. Maintaining the standard is critical to greatness. It's so hard to keep the winning going particularly when the Boks and Aussie are coming back stronger, the Pumas are getting better every year and Eddie Jones is waking the sleeping giant. If Wales can play like they did in the last 10 minutes of their game against England they will be a nightmare for anyone to handle.
Any of these teams can beat any of the other teams... but will they?
The RWC answered many questions, but it also closed the door on what went before and started the next chapter with more questions... what will an AB team missing 6 long term stalwarts look like?
Will Cheika continue his incredible improvement of the Wallaby team?
Will the Boks pick the right combinations form their prodigious stock of eye watering young talent charging up through the ranks.
Will England keep on developing at the same speed and intensity under Eddie Jones as they showed during a successful Grand Slam ?
Can Wales shake off Gatlands defence first mentality and exhibit their natural confidence to play whats in front of them? Can they win a series in New Zealand
Can Schmidt turn Ireland's fortunes around and bring them back to their best?
Will France start the long road back to being an international danger to other teams instead of themselves?
Which big scalps will the Pumas take this year? Is it the year where they will break their duck against the All Blacks? They're good enough.
Then next year we have another awesome Lions tour to look forward to...
The RWC is the pinnacle of international rugby and it sparks off with a crescendo of the last four years before sending everyone home wondering what the next 4 years will bring in terms of results and developments.
The RWC is awesome and well done on a great hosting job.

My personal highlight of the RWC, and this is what makes World Cups great, was in Cardiff, travelling to the ground early before the AB vs Frogs quarter final at the Millennium. We wanted to get a feed and a few pints of guinness before heading into the stadium. Sitting in the back of the cab with a Kiwi mate and an Irish mate, the driver slammed on the anchors and brought the car to a shuddering halt. He said,
"I won't have any swearing in my Taxi !!"
We looked at each other in confusion and I turned to him and said, "Nobody swore mate."
He replied, "I heard it, somebody said SWANSEA !!"

Brilliant!
 
I was just thinking recently about the 1995 RWC (one of my first rugby memories) and the 2003 RWC, and how they both had a profound impact on my life/memories. The recent world cups haven't seemed like the players are putting their hearts into it. I remember in 2003 players from many teams crying before and after the games, nowadays its very rare to see that. I'm just wondering if anyone else feels they've lost the parts that made them a world event.

I have many fond memories of previous World Cups. My favourites are 1995 and 1999. But you have a point.

The last WC showed that the NH is lagging behind. The 3 SH teams that can realistically win the next one - maybe 4 with the emergence of Argentina in recent years. It's hard to see much change in the pecking order until Japan 2019. The 6N isn't providing the competitive edge that the NH needs in order to win the WC.

With the NH falling behind this brings an element of predictability which I think may hurt the WC as a competition. Sure we'll get the odd upset like Japan beating SA but this doesn't change the overall picture. We knew this was a once off and Japan didn't even get out of their group.
 
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I was just thinking recently about the 1995 RWC (one of my first rugby memories) and the 2003 RWC, and how they both had a profound impact on my life/memories. The recent world cups haven't seemed like the players are putting their hearts into it. I remember in 2003 players from many teams crying before and after the games, nowadays its very rare to see that. I'm just wondering if anyone else feels they've lost the parts that made them a world event.

I don't think so. Probably the reason of your thought is that you was a kid in the 90s and the memories in that part of the life are stronger than memories from an adult life. What you watched when you are a kid is always stronger because you was an innocent kid with less responsabilities and the life is always less stressful in that part of the life. You had more free time to think about WC. Also the 90s was the years of gold of the Wallabies and your team won the Bledisloe very often, right now is very different haha
 
They're only good in the build up, that's when a Ireland are always the best team.

They've also taught me to hate Argentinian rugby, that's not necessarily a good thing but it shows how they effect even the less successful nations... Aaaaand I'm crying again, **** you Juan Imhoff.
 
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I don't think so. Probably the reason of your thought is that you was a kid in the 90s and the memories in that part of the life are stronger than memories from an adult life. What you watched when you are a kid is always stronger because you was an innocent kid with less responsabilities and the life is always less stressful in that part of the life. You had more free time to think about WC. Also the 90s was the years of gold of the Wallabies and your team won the Bledisloe very often, right now is very different haha

Maybe, maybe not. To me, somehow World Cups have lacked magic since 1995. 1991 was the first that I was old enough to take notice of and was the start of the RWC becoming a major international tournament (compared to other sports). It was probably enhanced by England's run to the final, although that was tempered by the back row selection in the final. 1995 was enhanced by South Africa's return to the fray and the dramatic backdrop it created. Hopefully breaking new ground by holding the next RWC in Japan will rekindle some of the excitement.
 
They're only good in the build up, that's when a Ireland are always the best team.

They've also taught me to hate Argentinian rugby, that's not necessarily a good thing but it shows how they effect even the less successful nations... Aaaaand I'm crying again, **** you Juan Imhoff.

Do u hate to Felipe Contepomi? :eek:
 
Not to me. I always look forward to World Cups in most sports in general. Last one was great, I don't remember much of 1995 though I read the hell out of the review book when I picked it up a couple of years later, 99 was good although I do remember throwing a hell of a tantrum (was 11 at the time) that my parents wouldnt take me to the 3rd place playoff game, 2003 was a good world cup despite Wilkinson ruining my birthday with that bloomin' kick, 2007 gave me my Uni nickname of Fiji and 2011 wasn't the best quality but was good from a Wales perspective
 
I don't feel they have. From a personal POV I was disappointed with 2011. I still feel SA were all but deliberately blown out of the tournament and despite their efforts in the lead-up I feel France were then buggered by Joubert in the final- I expect NZers will feel the same way about 2007 so in that sense I'm not trying to hate on 2011 objectively.

2015 was magical though despite SA's close exit in the SF (and or maybe because of our loss to Japan). Despite the host nation bowing out early (I appreciate the drama but felt England's continued involvement would/could've only added to what was otherwise a great tournament) and the favorites winning it had plenty of up-sides not least the quality of the actual rugby and for the most part (here's looking at you again, Joubert) little controvercy.

I'm sure Japan 2019 will be great if only for the novelty of it all and SA 2023 will be huge! I can hardly wait actually. I think a lot of it has to do with one feeling nostalgic towards the 'legends of the past' and then how one's team is measuring up to expectations. Unfortunately I don't see the Ab machine slowing down anytime soon but I am sure SA (despite ourselves) might be competitive at home, England could well have struck gold in Jones and if Cheika can get the best out of his charges they'll be up for it I reckon. I expect those to be the 4 main contenders come 2019 with Wales, Argentina and Ireland dark horses (as ever) and who knows about the French. My biggest hope is for something to happen for the USA like what did for Japanese rugby and for Japan to sucesfully build on their 2015 campaign.
 
I'm sure Japan 2019 will be great if only for the novelty of it all and SA 2023 will be huge! I can hardly wait actually. .

Wow Stormer you're being a bit presumptuous aren't you? The host nation for RWC 2023 won't be announced until May 2017. Sure SA are favourites, but I think Ireland has a shot of hosting it and it's never been hosted there before. Italy also in with a shout. France, having hosted it so recently in 2007, maybe should be fourth choice.
 
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