[June Tests 2018: 3rd Test] Australia vs. Ireland (23/06/2018)

[TRF_Olyy]

The thing you are massively ignoring here though. Folau isn't been punished for contesting in air. He is being punished for clearly pulling a player in the air on 3 occasions. If he contested the ball and didn't pull the player he'd be ok.

I'm not talking about that, and have said several times that I'm not talking about that.

 

[smartcooky]

The thing you are massively ignoring here though. Folau isn't been punished for contesting in air. He is being punished for clearly pulling a player in the air on 3 occasions. If he contested the ball and didn't pull the player he'd be ok.

And at the risk of repeating myself, there is a very simple way for players in these scenarios to not get themselves into difficulty with the Laws, the referee and the judiciary, and that is, by all means jump to compete for possession, but if you don't get your hands on the ball, KEEP THEM OFF YOUR BLOODY OPPONENT!

 

[munstermuffin]

I'm not talking about that, and have said several times that I'm not talking about that.

But your issue is with single lifter. And saying Folau shouldn't be banned. Like what is issue with it all so. As I can't see how there is any substance for even debating the ban. If it's on competing in air then the Folau case isn't good example as he is blatantly guilty

 

[munstermuffin]

And at the risk of repeating myself, there is a very simple way for players in these scenarios to not get themselves into difficulty with the Laws, the referee and the judiciary, and that is, by all means jump to compete for possession, but if you don't get your hands on the ball, KEEP THEM OFF YOUR BLOODY OPPONENT!

This is the part I am lost too. Having viewed in numerous times. The ref did correctly follow laws. Then on the ban 2 different sets of law specialists agreed same

 

[TRF_Olyy]

But your issue is with single lifter. And saying Folau shouldn't be banned. Like what is issue with it all so. As I can't see how there is any substance for even debating the ban. If it's on competing in air then the Folau case isn't good example as he is blatantly guilty

No, I've not been talking about this case for ages.
I've been talking about how crap the laws are and just making strawmen to show you can apply them to any situation because they're so inconsistent.

I'll make sure never to mention the brave soyboys of Munster again, lest the reeeeeeeeees deafen me for life

 

[munstermuffin]

No, I've not been talking about this case for ages.
I've been talking about how crap the laws are and just making strawmen to show you can apply them to any situation because they're so inconsistent.

I'll make sure never to mention the brave soyboys of Munster again, lest the reeeeeeeeees deafen me for life

Well nothing to do with Munster if you want to get that petty.

But more you aren't making any sense. Why bring law up so in first place here so. In a scenario where the offence was blatantly a guilty offence

 

[Derpus]

Lads. What part are ye missing.
The ban was for repeated offences. Like 2 yellows make a red. That is why he was banned.
And for last time it wasn't the attempt to catch the ball. It was after when he pulled POM in the air on 3 occasions.
Which part aren't you getting.

He would've gone flying regardless of if Folau tapped his hand because Folau also made contact with the rest of his body.

Basically, you can fling someone up in the air and if the defending team challenge for the ball, all you have to do is fall badly and it's game over for the defending player. So it's either risk a card for a regulation challenge or don't compete for the ball, which is completely contrary to the spirit of rugby.

 

[Derpus]

He clearly committed two yellow card offenses by the letter of the law (maybe three, I haven't seen clear footage of the second chronological incident). So the ban was warranted under the rules, yes? Does anyone have a valid argument to dispute this?

That people are still whining about the ruling is baffling to me, given he got off with a single week ban, and the situation has no real impact on the game or the test series. And given that it was clearly the correct interpretation of the law.

If you want to claim it's a bullshit law then that's fair enough. But I'm curious as to what the law could be changed to that would be practical, keep players safe, and stop the Aussies from whining the next time around.

Seems a tall order.

No lifting except in line-outs sounds appropriate.

 

[Derpus]

It sounds easy, hey. Just don't touch the other competing player in the air. But how do you compete for the ball and also not touch a player who is competing for the ball as well?

 

[munstermuffin]

It sounds easy, hey. Just don't touch the other competing player in the air. But how do you compete for the ball and also not touch a player who is competing for the ball as well?

Well easy. You don't pull the other player in air. Again you say he would have went flying regardless. This is clearly false. He went flying because Folau pulled him. And well again it is 1 of clearest offences. There no issue competing for the ball and Folau wasn't punished for that it was for the pulls.
So it's easily yes compete just don't pull the other player in air.
Again I can't state enough Folau isn't punished for competing he is punished for the pulls on 3 occasions

 

[RedruthRFC]

He would've gone flying regardless of if Folau tapped his hand because Folau also made contact with the rest of his body.

Disagree. Impact to the core is a lot easier to ride than an extremity being pulled away from your centre of gravity.

Basically, you can fling someone up in the air and if the defending team challenge for the ball, all you have to do is fall badly and it's game over for the defending player. So it's either risk a card for a regulation challenge or don't compete for the ball, which is completely contrary to the spirit of rugby.

No. It's defending teams that are putting players up in the air, not attacking teams. It would be a heck of a feat to get under the ball with a lifter and get up in the air as an attacking player. As I've said before, things have been stacked in favour of the attacking side (try dunking a basketball without a run up if you don't see what I mean), the ability for defenders to be lifted redresses this balance. We'll see how thing play out over the forthcoming months, maybe this shifts the balance too far the other way.