Life after Eddie …

[Scotty]

And we all know the only way to win a game role cup is to be rubbish for 3 years before hand.

Well yeah....EJ is master of a turn around...how can he do that if we're not **** for 3 years before...

 

[Bada-Bing!]

The Lions coach role would probably suit his kind of coaching as well v Australia in 2025.

 

[Geordie]

When is the 6n sqaud normally announced?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The Lions coach role would probably suit his kind of coaching as well v Australia in 2025.

He's not exactly made himself any friends in the other British nations or Ireland and, if he lost the changing room, there may even be a fair few in England who don't get on with him.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

He's not exactly made himself any friends in the other British nations or Ireland and, if he lost the changing room, there may even be a fair few in England who don't get on with him.

And did Gatland?

Just think his short, sharp style suits a Lions tour. He’ll have less time to lose the dressing room. And he knows how to beat the Aussies on their home turf.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Jones as Lions coach would be a PR nightmare. I'd be all for it to be honest. Not an easily winnable tour like the last three either, can't pick Sexton, so it could damage his rep massively I'd the players don't buy in.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think Jones would be an decent pick but Farrell is so obviously the main man to get it seems pointless even considering anyone else.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

And did Gatland?

Just think his short, sharp style suits a Lions tour. He’ll have less time to lose the dressing room. And he knows how to beat the Aussies on their home turf.

Gatland for the most part had the support of his own team and didn't really both much with winding up the other nations except England. Unless I'm missing something, the Scots and the Irish dislike Gatland for his Lions decisions (basically not picking enough Scots / dropping O'Driscoll) rather than his actions for Wales and the Lions. All Lions coaches get stick for not picking enough players from country x or not picking player Y. When Gatland had lost all support is when we also played our worst Lions series under him. I just think Jones, if he did it, would come in with a similar level of respect to what Gatland had when he left after the NZ tour.

Realistically I think it will be Farrell who coaches the Lions, unless something drastic happens between now and then.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

But will Farrell have the same shine when Ireland exit at the QFs next year?

 

[ncurd]

But will Farrell have the same shine when Ireland exit at the QFs next year?

Performed to expectations no reason to blame him on the Irish curse.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

the Irish dislike Gatland for his Lions decisions (basically not picking enough Scots / dropping O'Driscoll) rather than his actions for Wales and the Lions.

I reckon Gatland has had more shots at Ireland than England. He has already taken a mild jab at Ireland in his new role.

 

[Reiser99]

Would Jones suit the Lions with their slightly more relaxed and touring attitude? I know they still train hard and play to win, but there is also an element of fun about it and that certainly seems to have been lacking for England. Also he's very demanding, would players want to go into that environment for just a one off tour, I doubt it.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Yeah the Gatland Ireland beef, from both sides, comes from his time there. It’s never got out of hand but I think you’d be hard pushed to find an Irishman who has many nice things to say about him.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Yeah the Gatland Ireland beef, from both sides, comes from his time there. It’s never got out of hand but I think you’d be hard pushed to find an Irishman who has many nice things to say about him.

He should never have been let go by the IRFU but still, I have a lemon with his name on it.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ut-steve-borthwicks-at-least-sounds-promising

 

[Crash Hamster]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ut-steve-borthwicks-at-least-sounds-promising

Interesting, especially "This is a long-term rebuild" from Sweeney. Why is this necessary if everything was going well and they were content to judge Jones on RWC 2023? Surely it couldn't be an abrupt about-face because the RFU is entirely staffed by clueless w ankmuffins?

 

[Reiser99]

A good point from the article is if they aren't sure England will do better under Borthwick in the world cup then why sack Jones. I was all for sacking, but then I'm not running the RFU. I agree it does seem another knee jerk reaction by the RFU rather than a well thought out plan.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...glands-gareth-southgate-or-its-steve-mcclaren

 

[TRF_Olyy]

In Borthwick has the RFU found England’s Gareth Southgate or Steve McClaren?

Wtf does that even mean

Surely EJ was our Southgate - play dogshit most of the time and turn it on every now and then to show what you could do if your players were allowed to play with freedom
Ride on the success of coming close to, but not winning, major tournaments

 

[ncurd]

Wtf does that even mean

Surely EJ was our Southgate - play dogshit most of the time and turn it on every now and then to show what you could do if your players were allowed to play with freedom
Ride on the success of coming close to, but not winning, major tournaments

Football analogy is **** we need a Brendon McCullum

Play exciting rugby and barely loose a match.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Wtf does that even mean

Surely EJ was our Southgate - play dogshit most of the time and turn it on every now and then to show what you could do if your players were allowed to play with freedom
Ride on the success of coming close to, but not winning, major tournaments

Nah, EJ was our equivalent of SGE or FC ie an overseas coach. Difference is EJ got England to a WC final, won a 6Ns and unbeaten in a calendar year, but couldn’t sustain it thereafter with performances and lost the dressing room.

Depends what England fans want from Borthwick. To play well and beat the opposition we are expected to beat but lose to the big teams when it matters ie Southgate. If that’s ok then that is fine. It is tough to win a 6Ns, WC and play the type of Rugby England fans want to see. He deserves a chance.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...s-with-england-why-i-got-the-sack-rugby-union

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Interesting article, and does nothing to change my mind about him going was the right move

I reckon the two offers are Wales and USA

Hinting at the RFU sacking him because he slagged off private schools is an easy excuse

Blaming Saracens getting relegated for our slow evolution when he was the one who handled that whole situation poorly, never viewing replacements as more than a stopgap and rushing undercooked players back in ASAP

 

[BPM]

Has Gleeson really been given a chance? Hes been driven down a route by Jones...to play this special brand of rugby which has failed.

At Wasps he had them playing some great attack?

I’m pretty sure Wasps’ attacking play was largely down to Lee Blackett, who I’d happily see as a part of the England set up.

IIRC, Gleeson was defence coach there wasn’t he?

I really hope Evans can bring some spark to our attack for he 6N, but it does raise the question of what happens after that?

 

[Bada-Bing!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64285827
Yep, thought so.