Margaret Thatcher Passes Away

[TRF_heineken]

Hmmm...

Well, I respected her and for what she has accomplished. I find it a bit funny how the British guys are slandering a dead woman, and how she alone brought sufferage to the kingdom. She had to make very tough decisions, which at that time, no other man wanted to.

The Falklands battle was one such a case, and of course Superalexmarket would jump blindedly into the fray, saying the wrong things from his very subjective view.

It's all good to say she was poor and so on, but she hasn't been in office for a very long time, what happened after she left??

And please, don't say Tony Blair was better than her...

 

[McTallshort]

This was leaving regardless, the heavy industry was so subsidized in the UK in the two decades prior to Thatcher it was comical. There was no panacea in the 70's before she came in, people like my parents(who left in 74) jumped at the oppourtunity to leave. I can count dozens of ex pats in my area who left in the same time period of mid 60's-late 70's, rampant inflation, huge welfare rolls (people made more money being unemployed then they did working), a bloated and unnacountable public sector. In fact her policies weren't even wholly repudiated by her succesors....even Labour under Blair didn't return to the pre-80's socialist mantra they had.

Edit: Her divisness reminds me a lot of Pierre Trudeau's legacy here in Canada(although he as a left wing politician), loved by some and equally hated by others at the same time, has ranked as both best and worst Canadian ever in certain polls.

If somethings broke you try and fix it not chop it off

 

[McTallshort]

I think Margret Thatcher was a very bitter pill to swollow, but probably one which saved Britian's economy.

How did it save Britains economy?

 

[McTallshort]

She ordered sinking the Belgrano cruiser in neutral waters; she needed that war like water in the desert. Should have been judged for war crimes like all the genocide argentine Junta of that time. It´s a good day for Peace.[/QUOTE

The Sheffield was in "neutral" waters when it was hit by an Exocet fired by an Argentinian war plane. She didnt order it either. The task force commander asked for permission to engage which was granted. It caused the rest of the Juntas navy to go back to port and stay there, probably shortened the war and lowered the total butchers bill. Maggie did many things wrong but going to war over the Falklands was not one of them.

 

[Twebby]

As a Brit I find the whole reaction to her death a bit embarrassing. There are some people wailing crocodile tears and others dancing on her grave. Quite how one lone individual, who hasn't been in the spotlight for nearing 25 years, can garner such extreme reactions is beyond me.

What I find particularly embarrassing is people of my sort of age and younger (the 18-25 bracket) acting as though she personally came round and broke their favourite toys. This is the only reason I can possibly see for those who weren't even socially conscious (or conceived in some cases) acting as though the world's leading dictatorship has ended.

Personally I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about Thatcher. Presumably, like every other politician on the planet, she will have done some good things and made some mistakes. For every person claiming "Nothing good came out of her premiership" there will be others who can point to valid examples of good choices that were made under her leadership.

Someone doesn't serve 11 years in office in a society like ours if everything they do angers everyone. I wasn't a fan of Tony Blair, and wouldn't invite him to dinner, but I won't be doing a jig when he dies. He's one person in a country of 60 million, just as Thatcher was. Just as David Cameron is now. Just as the next PM will be. I'd like to think that as a society we could let the matter rest and not argue over a matter which should have long been put to rest.

 

[smb64]

Definetly unfair to say nothing good came out of her government, I mean she:

-broke the excessive power of the unions
-played a key role in winning the cold war
-rescued Britain from economic decline and transformed the economy
-made Britain a property-owning democracy

saying that however she also :

-alienated Britains partners in Europe
-caused unnecessary damage to Britains industrial base
-and encouraged private greed at the expense of public good

i feel sorry for her to be honest - stabbed in the back by her own politicians and then her husband died, I think she lived quite a lonely existence after politics.

 

[TRF_heineken]

 

[Superalexmarket]

Hmmm...

Well, I respected her and for what she has accomplished. I find it a bit funny how the British guys are slandering a dead woman, and how she alone brought sufferage to the kingdom. She had to make very tough decisions, which at that time, no other man wanted to.

The Falklands battle was one such a case, and of course Superalexmarket would jump blindedly into the fray, saying the wrong things from his very subjective view.

It's all good to say she was poor and so on, but she hasn't been in office for a very long time, what happened after she left??

And please, don't say Tony Blair was better than her...

Excuse me bro, but my opinion it´s no wrong, maybe you and the angloworld don´t like it, but is backed by the UN, and dozens of countries around the world that support the argentine position. Read a little of History, books do not bite ...

 

[McTallshort]

The UN support Argentina? news to me

 

[TRF_heineken]

Excuse me bro, but my opinion it´s no wrong, maybe you and the angloworld don´t like it, but is backed by the UN, and dozens of countries around the world that support the argentine position. Read a little of History, books do not bite ...

you are the only sad sack here, with this point of view, and you're an Argentinian!! of course you would think that Argentina never do anything wrong... it's like saying Messi has never missed a shot at goal!

 

[Superalexmarket]

you are the only sad sack here, with this point of view, and you're an Argentinian!! of course you would think that Argentina never do anything wrong... it's like saying Messi has never missed a shot at goal!

The war was a stupid thing. Did you know before that, the Foreign Office was ready to negotiate the soverignty of the islands, and stupid militar Junta thought it was a sign of weakness of the UK and started the war? That ruined all, maybe today the History would be different.

 

[TRF_heineken]

The war was a stupid thing. Did you know before that, the Foreign Office was ready to negotiate the soverignty of the islands, and stupid militar Junta thought it was a sign of weakness of the UK and started the war? That ruined all, maybe today the History would be different.

I'll take this as an admission that you were wrong. Thank you

 

[Superalexmarket]

I'll take this as an admission that you were wrong. Thank you

The war was wrong, the argentine claim is right.

 

[Getofmeland]

The war was wrong, the argentine claim is right.

No the war was justified, your country invaded an island that is part of the sovereign claim, therefore British soil. The residents on the island voted recently to stay in British control. The facts are:

Argentine soldiers took British Soldiers and citizens hostage when the illegally invaded an island which does not belong to them, capturing Port Talbot. You can believe what your fascist government feeds you but I am proud of my country and our navy of reclaiming what is rightfully ours. The only reason this argument has started again is because oil has been found in the region. For which the argentine government want to line their pockets with.

If there was no oil you would not want to know about it. The islands have been in the hands of British sovereignty for over 100 years and I hope for the people who live on the island they stay there for many more years.

 

[Getofmeland]

Also the argentine government were cowards, with the majority of their front line infantry being young lads acting as human shields for the rest of the troops.

 

[lucky number 7]

What I find particularly embarrassing is people of my sort of age and younger (the 18-25 bracket) acting as though she personally came round and broke their favourite toys. This is the only reason I can possibly see for those who weren't even socially conscious (or conceived in some cases) acting as though the world's leading dictatorship has ended.

I'm 20 , I feel like I'm entitled to feel however I want over the scenario. I wouldn't be a strong republican at all. However the old bag has a terrible legacy over here. And someone who did wrong to my parents and their generation in my opinion has done wrong to me.

For example do you think that the families of those killed by Charles Manson and his family have the right to take a degree of pleasure or sense of justice from his impending passing? Despite a number of them having not been born during his murderous activity.

 

[ratsapprentice]

As a Brit I find the whole reaction to her death a bit embarrassing. There are some people wailing crocodile tears and others dancing on her grave. Quite how one lone individual, who hasn't been in the spotlight for nearing 25 years, can garner such extreme reactions is beyond me.

What I find particularly embarrassing is people of my sort of age and younger (the 18-25 bracket) acting as though she personally came round and broke their favourite toys. This is the only reason I can possibly see for those who weren't even socially conscious (or conceived in some cases) acting as though the world's leading dictatorship has ended.

Personally I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about Thatcher. Presumably, like every other politician on the planet, she will have done some good things and made some mistakes. For every person claiming "Nothing good came out of her premiership" there will be others who can point to valid examples of good choices that were made under her leadership.

Someone doesn't serve 11 years in office in a society like ours if everything they do angers everyone. I wasn't a fan of Tony Blair, and wouldn't invite him to dinner, but I won't be doing a jig when he dies. He's one person in a country of 60 million, just as Thatcher was. Just as David Cameron is now. Just as the next PM will be. I'd like to think that as a society we could let the matter rest and not argue over a matter which should have long been put to rest.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[psychic duck]

No the war was justified, your country invaded an island that is part of the sovereign claim, therefore British soil. The residents on the island voted recently to stay in British control. The facts are:

Argentine soldiers took British Soldiers and citizens hostage when the illegally invaded an island which does not belong to them, capturing Port Talbot. You can believe what your fascist government feeds you but I am proud of my country and our navy of reclaiming what is rightfully ours. The only reason this argument has started again is because oil has been found in the region. For which the argentine government want to line their pockets with.

If there was no oil you would not want to know about it. The islands have been in the hands of British sovereignty for over 100 years and I hope for the people who live on the island they stay there for many more years.

Easy to win that poll when you kick out the Argentines there for British in the first place though.

Also regarding the oil, that is a large part of the reason as to why Britain make a fuss about keeping it as well as Argentina claiming it. In fact it was for strategic reasons Britain took the island back sometime in the 1800's in the first place. And unless you were referring to previous times the current Argentine government is democratically elected and not fascist, not sure where you heard that.

 

[coonor]

In my opinion Thatcher was one of the best PM's of the modern time in terms of economic and foreign policy. The revolutionary but extreme economic policies that she implemented was undeniably controversial but almost unequivocally required. Where Thatcher falls down is in regards to her social policy.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

No the war was justified, your country invaded an island that is part of the sovereign claim, therefore British soil. The residents on the island voted recently to stay in British control. The facts are:

Argentine soldiers took British Soldiers and citizens hostage when the illegally invaded an island which does not belong to them, capturing Port Talbot. You can believe what your fascist government feeds you but I am proud of my country and our navy of reclaiming what is rightfully ours. The only reason this argument has started again is because oil has been found in the region. For which the argentine government want to line their pockets with.

If there was no oil you would not want to know about it. The islands have been in the hands of British sovereignty for over 100 years and I hope for the people who live on the island they stay there for many more years.

As getofmeland said ... the people on the island regard themselves to be British. It must be a slight kick in the teeth for you. I would love to know what countries are opposed to British control of the Falklands. I will add that part of the reason why the Argentinian Government went ahead with the war was because of such economic pressure and by going to war it would take away pressure from the government and its financial problems.

Easy to win that poll when you kick out the Argentines there for British in the first place though.

Also regarding the oil, that is a large part of the reason as to why Britain make a fuss about keeping it as well as Argentina claiming it. In fact it was for strategic reasons Britain took the island back sometime in the 1800's in the first place. And unless you were referring to previous times the current Argentine government is democratically elected and not fascist, not sure where you heard that.

Urm ... don't really agree with most of that. How you spin it Duck, it can be slightly misleading. As getofmeland said and as you know yourself ... they voted and wanted to remain British. But what you failed to mention was the fact the lives of the islanders have greatly improved under the wing of Britain. Lifestyle and economics have done. You cannot disagree with this.