marshall leeds or quins

[mark_shaw]

in the nz herald today there was an article about how marshall could switch over if leeds get relagated but then there was a quote from the leeds guy sayng he wont let marhsall go anywhere for at lease another year :S

 

[Bullitt]

It's a joke when players jump ship if there's a risk of relegation. He knew the risk by joining Leeds so he should face the conciquences.

Besides, if he wen't to Quins he wouldn't play as they already have Mhertens.

 

[harrison2468]

Originally posted by Teh Mite@Jan 10 2006, 09:10 AM
Besides, if he wen't to Quins he wouldn't play as they already have Mhertens.

He is applying for South African nationality, meaning he won't be a foreign player.

 

[SaintsFan_Webby]

Originally posted by Teh Mite@Jan 10 2006, 10:10 AM
Besides, if he wen't to Quins he wouldn't play as they already have Mhertens.

Merthts is getting an SA passport. Problem solved.

Hopefully Leeds go down, Quins come up, they try scrapping relegation for a couple of seasons, and we have a Prem full of proper teams.

 

[Bullitt]

I thought the rule said they have to be a capped South African otherwise they have to naff off after 18 months?

 

[SaintsFan_Webby]

Originally posted by Teh Mite@Jan 10 2006, 07:53 PM
I thought the rule said they have to be a capped South African otherwise they have to naff off after 18 months?

Don't think so. For some reason unknown to most normal people SA players don't count as overseas.

 

[harrison2468]

Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby@Jan 10 2006, 06:50 PM
they try scrapping relegation for a couple of seasons, and we have a Prem full of proper teams.

No way is that fair. Either expand the Premiership or keep it as it is. The season would be boring if there was nothing to play for. Relegation is exciting, and brings the crowds in. Plus, if Leeds go down, they will fall apart, and take a few years to come back up.

 

[Bullitt]

What about the reason Wyle Human had to go home - He wasn't capped and only got an 18 month visa.

 

[SaintsFan_Webby]

Originally posted by harrison2468+Jan 10 2006, 07:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (harrison2468 @ Jan 10 2006, 07:58 PM)</div>

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@Jan 10 2006, 06:50 PM
they try scrapping relegation for a couple of seasons, and we have a Prem full of proper teams.

No way is that fair. Either expand the Premiership or keep it as it is. The season would be boring if there was nothing to play for. Relegation is exciting, and brings the crowds in. Plus, if Leeds go down, they will fall apart, and take a few years to come back up. [/b]

Fine expand it to 14 team, bring up a couple of worthy clubs, leave Leeds where they are and see how it goes.

Their stadium is rubbish, their fans are rubbish, and their team are crap. The Prem would look much better with Quins in their place.

 

[Bullitt]

14 clubs are far too many. It'll get to the point where players are playing twice a week, which is far too much for a game as physical as rugby. Players are getting burned out as it is.

 

[Canadian_Rugger]

Originally posted by Teh Mite@Jan 11 2006, 07:59 AM
14 clubs are far too many. It'll get to the point where players are playing twice a week, which is far too much for a game as physical as rugby. Players are getting burned out as it is.

who said you have to play a team twice f***. The NFL plays 16 games a season and their are 32 teams in the league. Offcourse they do draw 70,000 fans a game

 

[Bullitt]

Originally posted by Canadian_Rugger+Jan 11 2006, 09:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Canadian_Rugger @ Jan 11 2006, 09:26 PM)</div>

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@Jan 11 2006, 07:59 AM
14 clubs are far too many. It'll get to the point where players are playing twice a week, which is far too much for a game as physical as rugby. Players are getting burned out as it is.

who said you have to play a team twice f***. The NFL plays 16 games a season and their are 32 teams in the league. Offcourse they do draw 70,000 fans a game [/b]

Whoop-de-f***in-do-dah for them.

 

[Canadian_Rugger]

Originally posted by Teh Mite+Jan 12 2006, 09:45 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 12 2006, 09:45 AM)</div>

Originally posted by Canadian_Rugger@Jan 11 2006, 09:26 PM
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@Jan 11 2006, 07:59 AM
14 clubs are far too many. It'll get to the point where players are playing twice a week, which is far too much for a game as physical as rugby. Players are getting burned out as it is.

who said you have to play a team twice f***. The NFL plays 16 games a season and their are 32 teams in the league. Offcourse they do draw 70,000 fans a game

Whoop-de-f***in-do-dah for them. [/b]

whoopdee f***ing do is right as the National Football League is the most successfully run league in the world and is one of only five leagues that draw over 30,000 fans a game on avg

Guinness Premiership Rugby union England 2004-05 132 1,282,743 9,718 guinnesspremiership.com


NFL American football United States 2005 256 17,270,486 67,463 kenn.com

The problem with relegation is it has the potential of hurting big clubs which are what really makes the game what it is Imagine a club like Leicester or Gloucester going down in this era the drop would be devastating sure the Quins are going to bounce right back up but thats not the case for every club and relegation will only hurt clubs.

My idea would be scrap the Powergen Cup crap, cut league games down to 18 + Heineken Cup and increase league size when a team in division one earns the right for promotion.

Oh and make a new playoff system. This whole Wildcard crap sucks a lot of cock. Top 6 teams qualify for playoffs with the top 2 getting a bye to the semis other four play each other then move onto round 2.

Cutting the Powergen cup would give so much more leeway to the season tis not even funny

 

[mark_shaw]

samoans dont count has forein players lol wat the funk

 

[An Tarbh]

Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby+Jan 10 2006, 07:55 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintsFan_Webby @ Jan 10 2006, 07:55 PM)</div>

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@Jan 10 2006, 07:53 PM
I thought the rule said they have to be a capped South African otherwise they have to naff off after 18 months?

Don't think so. For some reason unknown to most normal people SA players don't count as overseas. [/b]

It's because of the Kolpak ruling stating that workers from around 100 countries who have trade agreements with the EU are now protected by European employment laws.

The court decision was based upon the idea that no resident of the European Union should be prevented from working in another part of the EU. Specifically the case meant that, in professional sports, if a sporting club chose a player who resided in the EU, then there could be no law preventing this.

Kolpak was a Solvakian handball player who wanted to play in Germany but not be classed as a foreigner (this was prior to Slovakia joining the EU)

This has allowed English cricket Counties to have more than one overseas player.

 

[sambãd5]

Originally posted by mark_shaw@Jan 12 2006, 12:12 PM
samoans dont count has forein players lol wat the funk

yeah, havent you ever seen the all blacks?

 

[mark_shaw]

is there a law in nz with the forein player thing..

 

[harrison2468]

My suggestion would be to increase the size to 15 teams, and have a Super12 style format, except with 14 games. Keep the Powergen, but change the format to a FA Cup style. Make the 'big' teams come into the cup at a certain point, having the games played in the early rounds with Divison 3 teams. Getting rid of this group crap and make it knock-out would cut a few pointless games. Also, we could keep the Welsh teams in the comp if revenue is an issue.

I reckon this would cut off about 8-9 weeks, perfect for FREE weekends during the 6N. Also, keep the play-off but only top 4, Wildcard is pointless.

 

[An Tarbh]

I like the idea of the super 14 format, however would the club owners go for it considering their loss in revenue? Doubt it.

Would also be worth considering if the top 3 Italian teams are to be invited into the Celtic League.

 

[harrison2468]

The problem is that I can't think of a single situation where one party is not negatively affected. However, player burn-out is a big issue, and needs to be dealt with properly and ideally, as soon as possible.

The club owners will not get as much revenue as there will be less home games, but I suppose all their best players will be available, which may add a few fans on. An agreement between the RFU and the clubs should be really a priority, but thtey don't really like speaking to each other that much...

Of course, if the stupid RFU relised the advantages of central contracts years ago, then many problems wouldn't be here today.