November 2015 Paris Attacks

[Cruz_del_Sur]

That is irrelevant. If the point is getting into Paris, using a train to go from Amsterdam/Brussels to Paris, if you want to keep a low profile, is quite dumb. You'd be exposing yourself to security checks and cameras. Rent a car, take a bus, hitch hike, cycle.

I don't believe for a second having more security guards in train stations in Belgium, Ned, Ger is the solution for this.

 

[valley commando]

They hate you! They travel to Europe is not a democracy, and for the social benefits!

So you think that Russia is the enemy of Europe! Have you seen that Russian terrorists to blow up London or Dublin?

Russia has about 10 million Muslims, but we live with them for hundreds of years!

There are problems, but we are solving them!

Do you have hundreds of years to solve the problems?

Rinat Dasaev footballer - one of the best goalkeepers in the world 80, Marat Safin - the former top-ranked tennis, Daniyar Bilyaletdinov recently played for "Manchester City", Danis Zaripov world champion in ice hockey ...

It is the Muslims of Russia.

And this is a Buddhist from Russia, the Buryats, stops the convoy of Georgian troops in 2008.

All the questions he answers, "Come on dick" ...

Europe can integrate centuries those who swim across the sea to you?


Maybe it will be easier not to let them in your country?

Yes you are right, it was reported that one of the cowardly ******** that was involved in this horrific attack was a Syrian asylum seeker recently arrived in Europe, how many more are we letting into Europe ? Stop this now send them back if not to Syria then to a muslim country.

 

[McTallshort]

Yes you are right, it was reported that one of the cowardly ******** that was involved in this horrific attack was a Syrian asylum seeker recently arrived in Europe, how many more are we letting into Europe ? Stop this now send them back if not to Syria then to a muslim country.

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And the Syrian Christians who have claimed asylum? Also back to a Muslim country?

 

[profitius]

Theres blood on Angela Merkels hands.

 

[valley commando]

Get used to it.
Most of the immigrants flooding into Europe are young men of fighting age.

Yes you are right and that's a bloody scary thought.

 

[McTallshort]

Yes you are right and that's a bloody scary thought.

Lets arm them, call them the syrian liberation army, give them air support and in a matter of months the civil war will be over and they can rebuild the country.

 

[valley commando]

Because the Belgians and the Dutch ain't bombing I.S. in Syria; The French are!

I agree that one reason is that France are involved in bombing Syria, but I believe there are other reasons, France are rightly trying to preserve French tradition and are resisting and standing up to these radical fundamentalists by saying NO you can't wear a burka in our country, NO you can't preach hate in our country, we in the UK ought to take heed and become more like France before it's to late, we already have idiots like Corbyn and Galloway with their ridiculous stance on immigration.
The perpetrators of this weekends horrific crimes are neither intelligent nor are they decent muslims, they act like animals and suffer extremely low levels of intelligence, which makes them like a dog easy to train. They are cowards who kill innocent people and are warped enough in their tiny minds to believe they are right, the laws in European countries will need to change so that these brainless cowards are locked up as soon as they become known to the authorities, at least one of Friday nights attackers was on the radar of the authorities but was not arrested as he had not done anything arrestable, is it not time to get these ******** off the street before they commit such atrocities, make having their warped views a crime and also imprison all hate preachers.
Finally REST IN PEACE all of those tragically murdered on Fridaynight/Saturday morning, whilst those 8 ignorant pigs who committed those crimes can rot in hell where they and all who share their thoughts belong.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Theres blood on Angela Merkels hands.

Why?

 

[McTallshort]

Sky reporting the French hammering ISIS targets in Syria...ISIS fighters in a world of merde.

 

[Gavin]

Great article in The Guardian explaining the rise of ISIS and all down to the West and USA

 

[McTallshort]

Great article in The Guardian explaining the rise of ISIS and all down to the West and USA

of course its never a terrorists fault hes a terrorist.

 

[Gavin]

of course its never a terrorists fault hes a terrorist.

It is the fault of the West that we have interfered with the Middle East for nearly 100 years and this has ultimately led to the rise of these groups.

The removal of Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi allowed for these groups to take hold.

 

[ncurd]

It is the fault of the West that we have interfered with the Middle East for nearly 100 years and this has ultimately led to the rise of these groups.

The removal of Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi allowed for these groups to take hold.

Only 100! *cough*crusades*cough*

 

[McTallshort]

It is the fault of the West that we have interfered with the Middle East for nearly 100 years and this has ultimately led to the rise of these groups.

The removal of Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi allowed for these groups to take hold.

Thats the same Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi that used state sponsored terrorism against the west? Just to say its the West fault to far to simplistic, a huge number of ISIS fighters are Chechen which is nothing to do with the West, many of the fighters are from the west having been redicalised in Saudi sponsered mosques which is the Saudi's fault for preaching its medievel type of Islam. Islam itself must also shoulder some reponsibility as its own internal divisons between Sunni and Shiites are responsible for levels of violance that we do not see or understand in the west. Yes Bush should not have invaded Iraq but its far more complicated than what you describe.

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Only 100! *cough*crusades*cough*

Mate about the time of the crusades the Mongal's were ripping the Muslim world an entire new arsehole that made the crusades look like a small territoral dispute. This is to do with a basic inferiority complex since the fall of the ottoman empire not a little side show from a bunch of Norman knights wanting a bit of glory in the holy land.

 

[Bee]

Useless discussion.
How does registrating refugees (=taking down their name and where they came from) prevent any terrorism ?
Plus most of the assassins being European citizens, same as with Charlie Hebdo, BTW.

Four of the attackers being known and filed as extremists + potential assassins by the French security services. As they have 5.000 registered, what do you want to do ? 24 hrs surveillance of 5.000 people ?
Most of them French citizens.

If you or me would want to shoot dozens of people on a street, cinema, bar, stadium - who wants to stop us ? Or how ? If we do not get hands on guns, we just hit people with a car.
What I want to say here is, that coming down hard on people fleeing from death, war + terror surely will not be the solution in ending terrorism.

One point might me to find out what makes young people in their twenties, born + raised in western countries, enjoying western culture and lifestyles, turn around 180 degrees, making them hate + detest their surroundings so much, that they can be brought to commit such atrocious acts.

Plus not bombing every country in the middle east back into the stone age without having a plan what happens afterwards, might help, too.

 

[McTallshort]

Useless discussion.
How does registrating refugees (=taking down their name and where they came from) prevent any terrorism ?
Plus most of the assassins being European citizens, same as with Charlie Hebdo, BTW.

Four of the attackers being known and filed as extremists + potential assassins by the French security services. As they have 5.000 registered, what do you want to do ? 24 hrs surveillance of 5.000 people ?
Most of the French citizens.

If you or me would want to shoot dozens of people on a street, cinema, bar, stadium - who wants to stop us ? Or how ? If we do not get hands on guns, we just hit people with a car.
What I want to say here is, that coming down hard on people fleeing from death, war + terror surely will not be the solution in ending terrorism.

One point might me to find out what makes young people in their twenties, born + raised in western countries, enjoying western culture and lifestyles, turn around 180 degrees, making them hate + detest their surroundings so much, that they can be brought to commit such atrocious acts.

Plus not bombing every country in the middle east back into the stone age without having a plan what happens afterwards, might help, too.

That would be the mosques they go to and how they are brought up.

And we are not bombing every country in the middle east, there are more Middle eastern counties bombing each other than western forces hitting targets in the middle east.

 

[Gavin]

Thats the same Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi that used state sponsored terrorism against the west? Just to say its the West fault to far to simplistic, a huge number of ISIS fighters are Chechen which is nothing to do with the West, many of the fighters are from the west having been redicalised in Saudi sponsered mosques which is the Saudi's fault for preaching its medievel type of Islam. Islam itself must also shoulder some reponsibility as its own internal divisons between Sunni and Shiites are responsible for levels of violance that we do not see or understand in the west. Yes Bush should not have invaded Iraq but its far more complicated than what you described.

It is also the same Gaddafi who was great mates with the West and had created one of the richest and best countries in Africa, until he decided to make an African currency based on Gold which would ultimately reduce the American Dollar and then he was declared an enemy and removed.

Both Gaddafi and Hussein kept order in their countries and stopped the rise of these cells in their countries. It cannot be a coincidence that ISIS has taken hold in vacuum created by the aforementioned removals.

There is also the case of a fella who is being tried in London for terrorism in Syria, however prosecution are looking to offer no evidence as his Defence has said that the UK were supplying arms to the rebels he was fighting for - amazing read actually.

The breaking up of the Ottoman Empire after WWI, and the creation of new counties by Western powers (mainly Britain and France) has caused quite a lot of the hassle in the Middle East.

 

[McTallshort]

It is also the same Gaddafi who was great mates with the West and had created one of the richest and best countries in Africa, until he decided to make an African currency based on Gold which would ultimately reduce the American Dollar and then he was declared an enemy and removed.

Thought he was removed because he repressed the arab spring in Libya?

Both Gaddafi and Hussein kept order in their countries and stopped the rise of these cells in their countries. It cannot be a coincidence that ISIS has taken hold in vacuum created by the aforementioned removals.

Its correct to say ISIS has its roots in the Sunni members of the former Iraq army but it was initially al quida but the leadership wanted a more redical and brutal mandate which says more about the mindset of the leadership than the removal of Saddam Hussain

There is also the case of a fella who is being tried in London for terrorism in Syria, however prosecution are looking to offer no evidence as his Defence has said that the UK were supplying arms to the rebels he was fighting for - amazing read actually.

Supplying arms to "friendly" groups isnt just a western thing. The govenments of both the former USSR and Libya supplied weapons and training to PIRA and much of the fighting in syria is going on with weapons from Saudi Arabia and Yeman is a basic power struggle betweem Iran and Saudi Arabia.

The breaking up of the Ottoman Empire after WWI, and the creation of new counties by Western powers (mainly Britain and France) has caused quite a lot of the hassle in the Middle East.

One imperial power swapped with another, alll were independant states by 1950.

 

[nickdnz]

I agree that one reason is that France are involved in bombing Syria, but I believe there are other reasons, France are rightly trying to preserve French tradition and are resisting and standing up to these radical fundamentalists by saying NO you can't wear a burka in our country, NO you can't preach hate in our country, we in the UK ought to take heed and become more like France before it's to late, we already have idiots like Corbyn and Galloway with their ridiculous stance on immigration.
The perpetrators of this weekends horrific crimes are neither intelligent nor are they decent muslims, they act like animals and suffer extremely low levels of intelligence, which makes them like a dog easy to train. They are cowards who kill innocent people and are warped enough in their tiny minds to believe they are right, the laws in European countries will need to change so that these brainless cowards are locked up as soon as they become known to the authorities, at least one of Friday nights attackers was on the radar of the authorities but was not arrested as he had not done anything arrestable, is it not time to get these ******** off the street before they commit such atrocities, make having their warped views a crime and also imprison all hate preachers.
Finally REST IN PEACE all of those tragically murdered on Fridaynight/Saturday morning, whilst those 8 ignorant pigs who committed those crimes can rot in hell where they and all who share their thoughts belong.

I disagree with this anyway. Plenty of decent Muslims opt to wear hijabs, niqab and burka's. Banning these things tends to create animosity amongst people - who feel their beliefs are being targeted.

Hate speech, of coarse ban it. The problem is that Westerner's still aren't particularly sophisticated when talking about Islam. Most people couldn't tell you what Wahhabism is - and yet it's an important distinction policy makers and people need to know.

The worst thing about these attacks - aside from of course the tragedy of those who lost their lives - is that it allows people to generalize and play into a paranoia.

It's frustrating to hear people talk about increases in surveillance. In essence it means that people are willing to live with less freedom - on the minor chance they can feel more safe.

 

[Chevalier]

In my opinion this is the best answer someone gave when said that most muslims are not extremists. Of course it is just a minority, but does this not extremist majority count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
And this is the opinion of moderate muslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWMKustMfOI