Over rated Players

[danny]

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<div class='quotemain'>on saturdayWilkinson will become the highest points scorer in history. Overrated or just your petty bias? [/b]

He can't pass or tackle though.
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Thats a bit harsh! His distribution could be better but his tackling must surely make him the best defensive 10 of all time. One bad tackle against Wales doesnt make him a bad tackler. Look at his career as a whole and some of his tackling has defied belief. In particular the grand slam game in Ireland in 2002 when at times it looked like he was keeping them out on his own with some brutal hits. You seem to have a very short memory! [/b][/quote]

That's just the thing isn't it though. 2002 was a long time ago now and so was 2003, and while he may have been great for a good 3 years there in the scheme of a career that's not exactly fantastic. All people see now is a one time hero who seems to be getting picked on reputation rather than merit and that makes him over-rated.

As for his defence, well he was a great defender for a while, but again, now he just seems ordinary...
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cant argue with that.

 

[softypete]

he has now become overrate. all his injuries have shortened his kicking range and he doesn't have enough apce. plus he does that silyl step beofre passing out which slows the backline up. Still he has a place to bring through new players and maybe at 12 or 13. just nto as the engineer of the line

 

[gingergenius]

I used to think Shane Williams but he's proved me wrong in the past year.

I used to think Henson but he's a great player, needs to be well managed.

I used to think Lee Byrne... what has happened to all these Welshmen!!

GEORDAN MURPHY. Definitely.

I don't know if Andrew Henderson was ever rated, but he's **** anyway. As is any Scotland centre since Townsend and Tait.

Hal Luscombe

And I hate to say it but BOD has gone downhill.

 

[iWin]

O'Gara, Wilkinson (past his prime), Henson

 

[ridge]

Based on how much the guy is being paid, Tuquiri is very overrated.

 

[Jer1cho]

Most overrated player ever: Naas freaking Botha!!!!!

 

[AlynDavies]

Andy Sheridan - 6ft4" prop... Yes hes big but hes not worth all the fuss England make over him.
Ronan O'Gara - I always thought David Humphreys was better.
Peter Stringer - Ireland have only had 1 scrum half so its no suprise he played so much international rugby, wouldnt of got a cap if he was welsh!

 

[Dream]

Chris Paterson - Brian Moore could have 31 from 31 if he kicked everything in a 30 yard distance 5m each side of the posts

Sebastian Chabal- puts in occaisonal big hit but his scrummaging and basic skills are crap

Nick Easter - "up the jumper, then fall over"

 

[Nat]

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Lote is not overrated just used on the wing..he should be at outside centre where he can get the ball at pace and use his giant hand off.
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Didn't we try somethign like that and he failed miserably? Besides, he should be able to put himself in a position to get the ball at pace, you don't see all the great wingers of the world complaining of such things. For example, Drew Mitchell during the World Cup campaign, why did he score so many tries while Lote scored....was it one or none?

<div class='quotemain'> Oh yes have to agree with Martin Johnson, was an inspirational captain but a **** rugby player. Johnny Wilkinson don't know how people can rate him as one of the best fly halves or in the caliber of someone like Dan Carter and Naas Botha. [/b]

I just don't see it. He was a great player. One of the things that made him a great captain.
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I think it's a SH or non-english thing, he is lorded as this tremendous player for England but never really seemed that stunning of a player....
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Lote was a better outside centre than Mortlock...I dont believe I saw Lote have a bad game in the 13 jersey. [/b][/quote]

I can't remember the last time I saw Lote have a good game in any position. Get off his nuts your starting to sound gay.
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Not gay just know talent when I see it....he's playing crap because of the position he's in and the money he is on, the dosh has got to Lote no doubt..they should have let him go back to league, because for some reason Australian rugby coaches don't put him in the right position..then at the ARU would have some dosh in the kitty.

 

[kiwimeeky]

Brendon Leonard - he's a quick halfback and he scores a few tries but he can't pass
Sione Lauaki - he's big and strong but that's about it

 

[sambãd5]

Brendon Leonard - he's a quick halfback and he scores a few tries but he can't pass
Sione Lauaki - he's big and strong but that's about it [/b]

sione definalty has let himself down this season, along with sitivieni. too many pies. last season he was a monster - but this season - done nothing of notice.



as for leonard - definatly a quick, running halfback, and is deffinatly worth a mention, but i cant see why hes as good as people say he is.

 

[Dmx#1]

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Lote is not overrated just used on the wing..he should be at outside centre where he can get the ball at pace and use his giant hand off.
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Didn't we try somethign like that and he failed miserably? Besides, he should be able to put himself in a position to get the ball at pace, you don't see all the great wingers of the world complaining of such things. For example, Drew Mitchell during the World Cup campaign, why did he score so many tries while Lote scored....was it one or none?

<div class='quotemain'> Oh yes have to agree with Martin Johnson, was an inspirational captain but a **** rugby player. Johnny Wilkinson don't know how people can rate him as one of the best fly halves or in the caliber of someone like Dan Carter and Naas Botha. [/b]

I just don't see it. He was a great player. One of the things that made him a great captain.
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I think it's a SH or non-english thing, he is lorded as this tremendous player for England but never really seemed that stunning of a player....
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Lote was a better outside centre than Mortlock...I dont believe I saw Lote have a bad game in the 13 jersey. [/b][/quote]

I can't remember the last time I saw Lote have a good game in any position. Get off his nuts your starting to sound gay.
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Not gay just know talent when I see it....he's playing crap because of the position he's in and the money he is on, the dosh has got to Lote no doubt..they should have let him go back to league, because for some reason Australian rugby coaches don't put him in the right position..then at the ARU would have some dosh in the kitty. [/b][/quote]



Ok thats fine with me if the aussie team would actually do this. It would just make things a whole lot easier for our centres.

 

[pjn123]

Most overrated:
- Eddie Andrews (this guy... worst player ever.. but still made the SA team. This year he haven't played for the Stormers yet... so thats why they're doing so good)
- D Houghart (bulls) ... Little boy.. think he is the best thing since Naas Botha... Think rugby is just about kicking.

(only 8 more replies to go for me to enter the earugby forum )

 

[crookedson]

Matt Giteau I seriously dont see why people get a hard on over this guy.

 

[rodri_arg91]

stringer
kelleher
wilkinson
henson
giteau

all great players, they had their moment of glory, but now they aint as great as the media makes us believe

 

[crookedson]

stringer
kelleher
wilkinson
henson
giteau

all great players, they had their moment of glory, but now they aint as great as the media makes us believe
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I agree with all of the above

 

[ulster08]

Tony Buckley - big guy but cant scrumage at all!
Gavin Henson
Brian O'Driscoll
Ronan O'Gara
Matt Giteau

 

[camelback]

I hate to say that, but yeah, BOD is today well overrated.
I don't pretend to know as far as you guys the british and southern rugby, so i will stay with french guys.
Poitrenaud
Good in club.. Non existant with french squad

Yachvili
I still ask me why he was taken by the french coaches, but well, there are plenty of questions about this coaches that have no answers.

Marty
As Poitrenaud, but instead of him, he's always here, and on the first XV.. can't explain.

 

[Fushitsusha]

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Lote is not overrated just used on the wing..he should be at outside centre where he can get the ball at pace and use his giant hand off.
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Didn't we try somethign like that and he failed miserably? Besides, he should be able to put himself in a position to get the ball at pace, you don't see all the great wingers of the world complaining of such things. For example, Drew Mitchell during the World Cup campaign, why did he score so many tries while Lote scored....was it one or none?

<div class='quotemain'> Oh yes have to agree with Martin Johnson, was an inspirational captain but a **** rugby player. Johnny Wilkinson don't know how people can rate him as one of the best fly halves or in the caliber of someone like Dan Carter and Naas Botha. [/b]

I just don't see it. He was a great player. One of the things that made him a great captain.
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I think it's a SH or non-english thing, he is lorded as this tremendous player for England but never really seemed that stunning of a player....
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Lote was a better outside centre than Mortlock...I dont believe I saw Lote have a bad game in the 13 jersey. [/b][/quote]

I can't remember the last time I saw Lote have a good game in any position. Get off his nuts your starting to sound gay.
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Not gay just know talent when I see it....he's playing crap because of the position he's in and the money he is on, the dosh has got to Lote no doubt..they should have let him go back to league, because for some reason Australian rugby coaches don't put him in the right position..then at the ARU would have some dosh in the kitty.
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WHAT?! Are you high?!

Lote Tuqiri is an AWFUL outside centre.

He doesn't run straight and gets caught out in defence. PLUS he doesn't/can't pass the ball.

To say that he's better than Mortlock (who is probably currently the best outside centre in the world) is an absolute joke!

Then you've got guys like Adam Ashley-Cooper and Ryan Cross who are not only better outside centres but are better players in general than Tuqiri. Hell, Tyrone Smith has shown in barely one year of rugby that he's a better centre than Tuqiri.

So to sum up my rant, not only is Tuqiri NOT better than Mortlock at outside centre, he's not really better than ANYONE at outside centre.

 

[Campo]

Wilko.

Lote Tuquiri.

Lachlan Turner.

Ma Nonu.