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Don't Skip Leg Day said:
Again (not that you listen) no. Rugby is about the teams not the star power. Using golf and F1 as a comparison shows little understanding of the sports.
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How many George Ford fans switched to supporting Sale when he moved? Or Farrell to Racing, as we're trying to move from domestic to an international product?
How many Lewis Hamilton fans switched to Ferrari when he moved?
Did golfers even play in teams as a week-in, week-out thing before LIV?
 
Which Tyler said:
How many George Ford fans switched to supporting Sale when he moved? Or Farrell to Racing, as we're trying to move from domestic to an international product?
How many Lewis Hamilton fans switched to Ferrari when he moved?
Did golfers even play in teams as a week-in, week-out thing before LIV?
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Hard to tell because next to no one follows LIV but I think even those that do don't care about the team aspect there.

Another thing that is working against this is that rugby isn't really big enough for effective sport washing. Which means you need an actual business person to front this and it's a tough sell.
 
Rugbyfan564 said:
inews.co.uk

I’ve seen the plans for R360 - there are five issues rugby must address

R360 references Ferrari's F1 team and uses photos of Antoine Dupont and Ilona Maher to talk star power - but will it make people care more?
inews.co.uk inews.co.uk
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The article does touch on a few issues that I have to agree with. Specifically around the current commercialisation of the domestic professional game.

The game leans far too heavily on the international game to generate revenues to support it all levels.

It highlights the apparent support levels of Rugby in comparison to the NFL. Which according to the article has half the fans but generates around 40x the revenue.

Now, it can easily be said that the NFL benefits from being the only league in that spory. And that is true. But that's also its strength. It acts as one with a coordinated group with a shared direction. While Rigby has 4-5 top line leagues all working in their own interests.

Furthermore. Look at all the other major sports in terms of support and commercialisation. With the exception of Soccer, which is a different beast altogether, has a single dominant league.

Those pushing the R360 concept seem to think they can fill that gap.

It also talks about pushing toward larger venues and bigger events alobhsidemore engagement in the media for players. All of which are valid.

IF nothing else there needs to be far more coordination between the leagues and clubs that make up those leagues.

The Club World Championship is an example. As a concept it could work but seems to have been hobbled together. Personally, I'd have liked to see it as an evolution of the Champions Cup. Work with the Unions specifically SANZAAR and Japan to move their seasons forward. And then make the Champions Cup more of post season strcuture involving every team from each of the major leagues.
 
I find the idea that the top 300 rugby footballers could be poached by the Arabs entirely consistent with rugby's long and storied tradition of buggering poorer nations for the immediate short term gains of slightly wealthier countries in a multi-tiered pyramid of assfuckery and poor financial management.

Maybe if those inbred fuckwits in the hallowed halls of power had any vision at all I'd give a ****. Get what you deserve and all that.
 
I don't see the market for it.

1. If you want to watch the best 300 players, we already have this with International Rugby.
2. The players will be constantly travelling around the world. Are they going to want that? At least at the moment they play half their games at home.
3. The players can already earn that kind of money in Japan and to a lesser extent France.
4. In Japan they can earn that money without out having to travel around loads.
5. They are going to countries with limited interest in Rugby, who is going to go and watch them?
6. How will the pitches hold up with that number of 15 a side games in a weekend?
7. Who are these fans who are going to follow these teams?
8. I don't think existing Rugby Fans will want to watch this, they are attached to their clubs and national teams.
9. Will the International Unions allow their players to be picked for the international teams if they play in this competition?
10. The IPL is not a good comparison as this is a national league not a travelling tour. The IPL is best compared to the English Premier League.
11. If it pushes the clubs out of business, and therefore the academies, where will the young players come from? Outside of South Africa where they have the Varsity.
12. There is an existing product, the Seven's series.

Those are my initial thoughts.
 
mdaclarke said:
I don't see the market for it.

1. If you want to watch the best 300 players, we already have this with International Rugby.
2. The players will be constantly travelling around the world. Are they going to want that? At least at the moment they play half their games at home.
3. The players can already earn that kind of money in Japan and to a lesser extent France.
4. In Japan they can earn that money without out having to travel around loads.
5. They are going to countries with limited interest in Rugby, who is going to go and watch them?
6. How will the pitches hold up with that number of 15 a side games in a weekend?
7. Who are these fans who are going to follow these teams?
8. I don't think existing Rugby Fans will want to watch this, they are attached to their clubs and national teams.
9. Will the International Unions allow their players to be picked for the international teams if they play in this competition?
10. The IPL is not a good comparison as this is a national league not a travelling tour. The IPL is best compared to the English Premier League.
11. If it pushes the clubs out of business, and therefore the academies, where will the young players come from? Outside of South Africa where they have the Varsity.
12. There is an existing product, the Seven's series.

Those are my initial thoughts.
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As I've posted previously it would require a substantial amount of money behind it in just marketing for these events to draw in punters.

I think there's some fair criticisms and certain things could be taken from the proposal and applied to current leagues. Like looking to enhance the game day experiences surrounding the game. Exploring more events like the annual Big Game or the Big Day Out. Wouldn't mind seeing a Magic/Super Round event in the Premiership and URC.
 
Listening to the rugby pod while they were discussing this. I've always thought Jim Hamilton was a little bit simple but Jesus wept he comes across as a right toddler who just looks at shiny new toys and doesn't engage his brain at all.

What a simpleton.
 
So it's gonna be free to air, have salaries that dwarf the Prem, but also turn a profit

Jennifer Lawrence Reaction GIF
 
LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan) said:
Honestly I feel RugbyFan is the only one clicking these articles now. They are prob thinking we are getting thousands of clicks and in all reality it's just them clicking over and over
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If you're bored - we could always talk about how much more of a major event the Lions are to a RWC...
 
Grand Slam Track falling over, cancelling their 4th and final meeting of the year.

Insisting they'll be back with new sponsors next year but I'd be amazed.

Not sure whether it was simply a bad idea commercially (in terms of dividing the sport unquestionably) or a possible workable one badly executed.
 
Which Tyler said:
You don't even need to complicate things with time zones - how many URC club fans actually watch the Prem or T14 - and vice versa.
Let's be honest - how many rugby fans actually watch a match as a complete neutral (that isn't a one-off event)?
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Just for the sake of interest (or "interest" given that it's 3.00am) - just having a look around the neutral Prem clubs' fan forae, to see how much discussion there has been about today's final.
Bristol - none (obviously, club wasn't neutral for the SF)
Exeter - none, no thread for the SF either
Gloucester - Yep, active thread for SF and same thread is still active for the final
Quins - Yep, 4 posts, no discussion. Threads for each SF, I'm only spotting 1 post during play for each SF - neither discussing play
Newcastle - none, thread for one of the SFs, started the following day
Saints - Yep, "active" thread for the SF and same thread is still active for the final - I'm not spotting any discussion of the actual rugby though
Sale - none (obviously, club wasn't neutral for the SF)
Sarries - Yep, thread for SF is still active, I'm only spotting 2 posts during play of the SFs


I don't blame any of them, they're neutrals watching because of a love of the sport, and the competition in which their club plays.
Only Shedweb had any actual discussion of a SF whilst it was in progress.
These are places that people come every day to talk about rugby, their club, the rest of the league and the sport as a whole. These are the places where the couple of hundred most dedicated rugby fans on the planet hang out and talk about club rugby. I'm sure plenty watched the SFs, but they weren't talking about them.
 

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