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Macron talks the talk but cares far more about enriching France than European strength - look at him freezing out the UK from defence pacts, blaming Brexit, but then including East Asian and Scandinavian defence companies
Look how he dragged his feet on Russia/Ukraine

All fart no poo
 
Yeah I think that's what Machado said or hoped. Going by Trumps press conference she's got no chance anyway. Machado won't be amused.

She called for Urrutia to be installed didnt she? I think they, and a lot of Venezuelans are being niaive, Trump will absolutely utilise Maduros henchmen like Rodriguez if they are willing to play ball. Theyll make a lot of noise about releasing Maduro, and defending Venezuela, but they will absolutely bow to Trump, there is no other option.


Feels to me like the USA are playing global chess, i think everyone agrees China and Russia could not be allowed to rack up Venezuelan debt any further, before taking over the largest oil reserves in the world (not to mention geopolitical influence in the Americas).

The Taiwan issue is untenable for Trump, Chinas move is inevitible, and Trumps response will always be bad to it, so i think hes sacrificed it like a pawn.

The Venezuelan people are cheering for freedom, that wont come, what will come is massive investment in faltering Venezuelan infrastructure, from the US, which will essentially replace 2 parsitic investors for 1 bigger one.
 
It will be interesting to see how MAGA respond, given they've been rather laughably trying to present Trump as this great peacemaker and have loudly and repeatedly been arguing that Trump didn't start international wars and wasn't going to drag the USA into global conflicts. In 1 year he has:
- Attempted to start trade wars with basically the entire planet
- Threatened a NATO ally
- Bombed Iran
- Bombed Nigeria
- Blockaded Venezuela, captured their tankers and stormed the capital, capturing the head of state and his wife
- Bombed Syria
- Sided heavily with the Russians in Ukraine
- Constantly sought to undermine allies, regularly attacking them for a whole litany of reasons.

Arguments can be made about the merits of various actions, but it is a very long way away from a peace making isolationist that MAGA are trying to portray him as. Venezuela in particular could have far reaching consequences as any sort of legitimacy the US may have had in saying powerful countries cannot simply go into less powerful countries and enact regime change on a whim is gone. China may be looking at this and thinking they have the green light to go into Taiwan on a trumped up charge and say the US are hypocrites if they tell them not to.
 
It will be interesting to see how MAGA respond, given they've been rather laughably trying to present Trump as this great peacemaker and have loudly and repeatedly been arguing that Trump didn't start international wars and wasn't going to drag the USA into global conflicts. In 1 year he has:
- Attempted to start trade wars with basically the entire planet
- Threatened a NATO ally
- Bombed Iran
- Bombed Nigeria
- Blockaded Venezuela, captured their tankers and stormed the capital, capturing the head of state and his wife
- Bombed Syria
- Sided heavily with the Russians in Ukraine
- Constantly sought to undermine allies, regularly attacking them for a whole litany of reasons.

Arguments can be made about the merits of various actions, but it is a very long way away from a peace making isolationist that MAGA are trying to portray him as. Venezuela in particular could have far reaching consequences as any sort of legitimacy the US may have had in saying powerful countries cannot simply go into less powerful countries and enact regime change on a whim is gone. China may be looking at this and thinking they have the green light to go into Taiwan on a trumped up charge and say the US are hypocrites if they tell them not to.
Weird timing but the UK and France bombed Syria today.

Russia can use the same arguements for snatching people from the Ukraine.

The push back by thr government and others has been tame at best, slightly disappointing but not surprising. Even if Starmer has some understanding of international law. As distasteful as it is the government will continue to do deals with India, the US etc saying it is in the national interest.

I think the world needs to realise the rule of law, the ICC, and to some extent the UN are dead in the water, and we are going to do **** all about it.

If i was the Ukraine, Greenland and Canada I'd be a tad twitchy.
 
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So if the US oil companies go in... who is going to guard those big static targets distributed around the country?

The big forested national parks are to the immediate south of the majority of the oil fields; perfect for any guerrilla forces to hide in.

Unsurprisingly, "art of the deal" hasn't thought this through.
 
Weird timing but the UK and France bombed Syria today.

Russia can use the same arguements for snatching people from the Ukraine.

The push back by thr government and others has been tame at best, slightly disappointing but not surprising. Even if Starmer has some understanding of international law. As distasteful as it is the government will continue to do deals with India, the US etc saying it is in the national interest.

I think the world needs to realise the rule of law, the ICC, and to some extent the UN are dead in the water, and we are going to do **** all about it.

If i was the Ukraine, Greenland and Canada I'd be a tad twitchy.

Something smells fishy here, firstly Maduro who was leaning into Putins palm gets snatched, and thr US stamp their authority in the Americas, then France and UK drop bombs in Syria hours later without US involvement?!?!

Both Macron and Starmer have been tepid in their responses to Maduro (which i applaud if they had no knowledge of it). This strike was only 1000m from Russian borders and 200m from a Russian airfield.

I smell something cooking...

Cant agree more about the ICC and UN etc.

I think Denmarks PM agrees with you making a statement today, cant imagine Canada are really worried.

Ukraine and Taiwan are different beasts, they may well be sacrificed, and as above, the EU will ultimately huff and puff before turning their back. There is the argument made Trump isnt really interested in Ukraine, and would prefer to palm that issue off to europe to deal with.
 


I love Bernie i really do, but my god he runs on feelings, and is so easy to dismiss!

Hes a very good man, but rubbish politician, i mean to not know the US place in the world order, to talk about not being involved militarily globally, to make the claim Trump ran on America first, but this oil grab of the largest reserves on planet earth isnt an America first policy.

Sometimes i wish he would just sit with a conservative for an hour, discuss these things and then make his statement mean something, instead of blurring into the background of faux outrage.

Im not an international law lawyer, unlike many people claiming to be, snatching Maduro may well be illegal (who tf is going to do anything about it tho), but its absolutely an America first policy, as was the NATO budget row, plowing money into Isreal etc...

Trump supporters look at this and say "Biden tried to get Maduro, but was too weak, Trump finished the job the rest of the world wanted to do". Infact ive been reading those comments!

Russia cant be lauded as this ugly evil monster who wants to invade europe, and europe must arm itself ready for war one munute, and then be allowed to gain a foothold in Latin America, and secure the rights to the largest oil reserves in the world the next without anyone responding.

IF numbers are to be believed, and theres no reason they shouldnt, Russia has spent more than 30b reported in the last 20 years, that number must be far higher, and repayments with oil were pennies on the dollar, partly helped by US sanctions.

World leaders will absilutely condemn Trumps actions here, but off camera theyll be fist pumping (which im not promoting as a good thing) .

Ultimately id much prefer to see measure responses from opposition, (i cant believe im about to say this) like Starmers. He didnt pander to anyone, he looked at the situation and said 'wtf is going on, lets go and find out before i take any sort of stand'. Id like to have seen that from Bernie.
 
I love Bernie i really do, but my god he runs on feelings, and is so easy to dismiss!

Hes a very good man, but rubbish politician, i mean to not know the US place in the world order, to talk about not being involved militarily globally, to make the claim Trump ran on America first, but this oil grab of the largest reserves on planet earth isnt an America first policy.

Sometimes i wish he would just sit with a conservative for an hour, discuss these things and then make his statement mean something, instead of blurring into the background of faux outrage.

Im not an international law lawyer, unlike many people claiming to be, snatching Maduro may well be illegal (who tf is going to do anything about it tho), but its absolutely an America first policy, as was the NATO budget row, plowing money into Isreal etc...

Trump supporters look at this and say "Biden tried to get Maduro, but was too weak, Trump finished the job the rest of the world wanted to do". Infact ive been reading those comments!

Russia cant be lauded as this ugly evil monster who wants to invade europe, and europe must arm itself ready for war one munute, and then be allowed to gain a foothold in Latin America, and secure the rights to the largest oil reserves in the world the next without anyone responding.

IF numbers are to be believed, and theres no reason they shouldnt, Russia has spent more than 30b reported in the last 20 years, that number must be far higher, and repayments with oil were pennies on the dollar, partly helped by US sanctions.

World leaders will absilutely condemn Trumps actions here, but off camera theyll be fist pumping (which im not promoting as a good thing) .

Ultimately id much prefer to see measure responses from opposition, (i cant believe im about to say this) like Starmers. He didnt pander to anyone, he looked at the situation and said 'wtf is going on, lets go and find out before i take any sort of stand'. Id like to have seen that from Bernie.
I don’t think it’s fair to write this off simply as “feelings” it’s just a different interpretation. His argument is that it’s not America first as it doesn’t serve Americas interests long term as seen in history.

Trump also ran on America first AND the peace president which he clearly isn’t.
 
I don’t think it’s fair to write this off simply as “feelings” it’s just a different interpretation. His argument is that it’s not America first as it doesn’t serve Americas interests long term as seen in history.

Trump also ran on America first AND the peace president which he clearly isn’t.

Ok thats fair, its not all feelings, butnits not exactly a measured considerate response, its just another attempt of trying to paint Trump as evil in the public eye, when his base loves this, and those in the middle will have mixed feelings, its a classic do the ends justify the means question.

How will aqcuiring the largest oil reserves on earth not be America first?

Stocks went up slightly, dollar got slightly stronger, oil prices dropped slightly, and thats been a few days since, if the US manage to increase production and infrastructure, over the long term itll get better, not to mention positiknally on the global stage the US standing is much better with Venezuelan oil than if China and Russia had it.

Trump was pretty bang on when he campainlgned on global peace, based on his first presidency, and the wars that broke out after he left office, he is a 2nd term president focusing on legacy now, the ballroom, brokering peace, changing the relationship of the middle east, and now asserting dominance globally, i think hes looking for a lasting impression by any means necesary, and what ramifications will he see for it? We all know itll be nothing, there is no global checks, and the Dems have shot their load for a decade unsuccessfully, worst case scenario he leaves office in a technicality before he finishes his term.

I genuinely think hes either sick, or sees something legal coming down the line, he doesnt intend to complete his second term and has gone hell for leather at making an impact before it comes, these actions seem Castro esque, the final shots of a dying man maybe?
 
Ok thats fair, its not all feelings, butnits not exactly a measured considerate response, its just another attempt of trying to paint Trump as evil in the public eye, when his base loves this, and those in the middle will have mixed feelings, its a classic do the ends justify the means question.

How will aqcuiring the largest oil reserves on earth not be America first?

Stocks went up slightly, dollar got slightly stronger, oil prices dropped slightly, and thats been a few days since, if the US manage to increase production and infrastructure, over the long term itll get better, not to mention positiknally on the global stage the US standing is much better with Venezuelan oil than if China and Russia had it.

Trump was pretty bang on when he campainlgned on global peace, based on his first presidency, and the wars that broke out after he left office, he is a 2nd term president focusing on legacy now, the ballroom, brokering peace, changing the relationship of the middle east, and now asserting dominance globally, i think hes looking for a lasting impression by any means necesary, and what ramifications will he see for it? We all know itll be nothing, there is no global checks, and the Dems have shot their load for a decade unsuccessfully, worst case scenario he leaves office in a technicality before he finishes his term.

I genuinely think hes either sick, or sees something legal coming down the line, he doesnt intend to complete his second term and has gone hell for leather at making an impact before it comes, these actions seem Castro esque, the final shots of a dying man maybe?
What do you mean by “making an impact”

Th only “impact” Trump cares about are impacts upon himself. His ideology is the ideology of self enrichment. He’s not an ideologue who has any worldview beyond how can I benefit myself as much as I can. He’s doesn’t care about America, its citizens or the constitution.
 
What do you mean by “making an impact”

Th only “impact” Trump cares about are impacts upon himself. His ideology is the ideology of self enrichment. He’s not an ideologue who has any worldview beyond how can I benefit myself as much as I can. He’s doesn’t care about America, its citizens or the constitution.

You dont believe that, i agree hes self serving, but in legacy terms the US post presidency would have to review his actions as serving the US positively.

He has all the money in the world, what do men want when they get to that stage? Its not more money, its something more lasting.

Im not saying Trump is acting selfless, im saying he is establishing his 2nd term as a pro active, no nonsense, non politician, do what needs to be done, while waving a AR15 riding an eagle spraying bullets into the air before landing on a Nascar track bare chested **** ye Murica!!!!!!!!!!

All chains are off, hes shed the pesky checks and balances from term 1, and now can tare through 100 years of expansion and global domination long term planning in 18 months!

These actions are absolutely aligned with American interests dont you think? Deporting millions of illegal immigrants, stamping out Russian and Chinese interests in the Americas, making the middle east interested in trade, and ensuring europe becomes military capable.

You have to remember, every US politician wanted to be the one who got Maduro, Obama deemed him a natiknal security threat, and human rights abuser before sanctioning Venezuela, Biden cleverly gave him an out to legitimacy and offered support, before reimposing harsher sanctions after an illegitimate election, Biden then recognised the opposition leader as president elect, then employed the DEA and CIA in Venezuela as counter narcotics investigations.

The US indicted Maduro in 2020, which would have led to his arresst had he been caught outside of Venezuela, and even Americas countries were attempting to extradict him and arrest, including Columbia, Peru and Argentina, but apparently all attempts were blocked, as were the attempts of Venezuelan officials who wanted the same but had to flea. There are also at least 5 major human rights organisations pushing for his arrest.

So literally everyone locally involved with an ounce of decratic sense wanted him gone, and criminalised, thats why i said they will all condemn the actions and celebrate off camera.

Trump has absolutely completed a job everyone wanted done, they just dislike the way he did it, and i get it, but lets not pretend 20 years from now the world might potentially look back on it like a Batman move, taking the law into his own hands for everyones justice (joke btw dont all freak out lol).

Where i will compliment Bernie, is that hes been very consistent in his words about Maduro, condemned him, but always spoke out against military intervention, refused to legitimise opposition leaders as true leader, and sought a more diplomatic way of dealing with Maduro, which makes him a very good human being, but rubbish politician IMO
 
You dont believe that, i agree hes self serving, but in legacy terms the US post presidency would have to review his actions as serving the US positively.

He has all the money in the world, what do men want when they get to that stage? Its not more money, its something more lasting.

Im not saying Trump is acting selfless, im saying he is establishing his 2nd term as a pro active, no nonsense, non politician, do what needs to be done, while waving a AR15 riding an eagle spraying bullets into the air before landing on a Nascar track bare chested **** ye Murica!!!!!!!!!!

All chains are off, hes shed the pesky checks and balances from term 1, and now can tare through 100 years of expansion and global domination long term planning in 18 months!

These actions are absolutely aligned with American interests dont you think? Deporting millions of illegal immigrants, stamping out Russian and Chinese interests in the Americas, making the middle east interested in trade, and ensuring europe becomes military capable.

You have to remember, every US politician wanted to be the one who got Maduro, Obama deemed him a natiknal security threat, and human rights abuser before sanctioning Venezuela, Biden cleverly gave him an out to legitimacy and offered support, before reimposing harsher sanctions after an illegitimate election, Biden then recognised the opposition leader as president elect, then employed the DEA and CIA in Venezuela as counter narcotics investigations.

The US indicted Maduro in 2020, which would have led to his arresst had he been caught outside of Venezuela, and even Americas countries were attempting to extradict him and arrest, including Columbia, Peru and Argentina, but apparently all attempts were blocked, as were the attempts of Venezuelan officials who wanted the same but had to flea. There are also at least 5 major human rights organisations pushing for his arrest.

So literally everyone locally involved with an ounce of decratic sense wanted him gone, and criminalised, thats why i said they will all condemn the actions and celebrate off camera.

Trump has absolutely completed a job everyone wanted done, they just dislike the way he did it, and i get it, but lets not pretend 20 years from now the world might potentially look back on it like a Batman move, taking the law into his own hands for everyones justice (joke btw dont all freak out lol).

Where i will compliment Bernie, is that hes been very consistent in his words about Maduro, condemned him, but always spoke out against military intervention, refused to legitimise opposition leaders as true leader, and sought a more diplomatic way of dealing with Maduro, which makes him a very good human being, but rubbish politician IMO
I do believe that. Are you saying Trump cares about America and its constitution?
 
I Think he cares about his legacy more, and his legacy has to align with both of those things dont you think?
You think he cares more about his legacy than America or its constitution. I agree. Though I would say his legacies sucess will be judged by him by how rich and powerful he is. However negatively he’s perceived by others Will just be dismissed as him doing an amazing job, as is the narcissists way.
 
You think he cares more about his legacy than America or its constitution. I agree. Though I would say his legacies sucess will be judged by him by how rich and powerful he is. However negatively he’s perceived by others Will just be dismissed as him doing an amazing job, as is the narcissists way.

Ye i can get on board with this, i would only caveat that he does love a clapback, and baits the Dems into scenarios where they have to back track, like Bernie acknowledging his job on immigration and the border.

With this in mind, do you think 20 years from now, if the US is flying, his 2nd term this far (negotiating the 2 major global wars, ceasefirr in Gaza, potential in Ukraine, Maduro out of the picture, and secure border) he will be viewed as anything other than effrctive? There are ifs in there granted, but i think the 34% base is absolutely loving what hes done in 12 months, another portion will agree with it, and plenty of world leaders will be watching and thabkfull of his actions
 
Ye i can get on board with this, i would only caveat that he does love a clapback, and baits the Dems into scenarios where they have to back track, like Bernie acknowledging his job on immigration and the border.

With this in mind, do you think 20 years from now, if the US is flying, his 2nd term this far (negotiating the 2 major global wars, ceasefirr in Gaza, potential in Ukraine, Maduro out of the picture, and secure border) he will be viewed as anything other than effrctive? There are ifs in there granted, but i think the 34% base is absolutely loving what hes done in 12 months, another portion will agree with it, and plenty of world leaders will be watching and thabkfull of his actions
20 years is a long time and more importantly the 3 or so years Trump has left in office is also a long time. Let’s see what else he gets up to. He likes invading capital cities in January. Let’s see who’s next.
 

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