Sigesige style law suggestion..

[nickdnz]

So something that has been on my mind for a while which I think would make rugby a bit more interesting...

The players who score tries have to be responsible for their conversions. It would require upskilling players, but would also place less emphasis on selecting one player on their goal kicking. Anyway its been floating around in my head, what do you people think?

 

[ncurd]

A try is already a legitimately hard thing to do (hence worth 5pts) and the issue there is your penalty kicker is still way too important so you'll want a specialist.

However it could try to stop forwards bludgeoning their way to the tryline...

 

[goodNumber10]

what would be the benefit to the game by this?

Surely the issue is the worth in relation to the penalty which this wouldn't address.

 

[Tony Manx]

Anyway its been floating around in my head, what do you people think?

Let it sink!!

 

[McTallshort]

So something that has been on my mind for a while which I think would make rugby a bit more interesting...

The players who score tries have to be responsible for their conversions. It would require upskilling players, but would also place less emphasis on selecting one player on their goal kicking. Anyway its been floating around in my head, what do you people think?

Fine if your a fly half but how many props will 'spill' the ball 1 yard out?

 

[dasNdanger]

Wait. Wot? Did you mean 'siege', as in "the action of an armed force that surrounds a fortified place and isolates it while continuing to attack?" Or did you mean 'sige', as in "2-bar goal" sigesige00? I just don't know whether I should give a serious, or a snarky, reply.

das

 

[InsaneAsylum]

good idea for entertainment value I find it highly amusing watching forwards try to take place kicks, sort of like Dunning's drop goal. good for a laugh!

 

[TRF_heineken]

I hate this idea! I don't see the point in having a prop to learn how to kick at goal. He already has enough on his plate, if they have to learn how to kick, then the backs must learn how to scrum.

Also, this will provide more injuries. Especially to the bigger fellows, as they have tighter hamstring muscles.

 

[nickdnz]

Hahaha, I was worried at a negative reaction when I suggested this - but the consensus seems to be its a great idea (through my sample size of only InsaneAsylum).

I think the biggest reaction is 'what is the point?'. It just feels arbitrary to me that two out of the three ways to score points is left to two players in the team. Imagine in basketball if a team just selected their best free throw shooter all the time. I'm not convinced it will result in more injuries at all - from years of playing prop I can guarantee you that a shot at goal after a try is unlikely to cause an increase in injuries - it's not as if forwards haven't been responsible for taking shots at goal before anyway: John Eales and Colin Bourke frequently kicked at goals, and I have yet to see a forward suddenly injure themselves in rare attempts at goal. I'm pretty sure most people who have played rugby will see forwards place kick before training just for a laugh, I don't think it's exactly too much to expect them to become at least half decent.

Anyway I thought it would just add another dimension to the game. I haven't yet seen a compelling point against it.

Wait. Wot? Did you mean 'siege', as in "the action of an armed force that surrounds a fortified place and isolates it while continuing to attack?" Or did you mean 'sige', as in "2-bar goal" sigesige00? I just don't know whether I should give a serious, or a snarky, reply.

das

See you went with the latter, nice.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Basketball is a bad comparison in my opinion, in basketball every player has to throw the ball anyway, it's a fundamental part of the game, kicking in rugby isn't and is left to about 5 players on a team. I also think the penalty shoot out in rugby is stupid because of this, if a game is level after 100 minutes a "golden score" tie breaker should be used.

The sugestion would be better suited to soccer.

 

[goodNumber10]

from years of playing prop I can guarantee you that a shot at goal after a try is unlikely to cause an increase in injuries -

So basically you're one of those props who thinks us cream puff backs don't earn our spurs

it's not as if forwards haven't been responsible for taking shots at goal before anyway: John Eales and Colin Bourke frequently kicked at goals, and I have yet to see a forward suddenly injure themselves in rare attempts at goal. I'm pretty sure most people who have played rugby will see forwards place kick before training just for a laugh, I don't think it's exactly too much to expect them to become at least half decent.

No but those forwards who did kick were the best kickers in the team, not just random guys there by the luck of being on the end of the scoring movement.

Anyway I thought it would just add another dimension to the game. I haven't yet seen a compelling point against it.

To be fair you haven't really given a compelling reason for it other than you fancy a go.


To be honest I think the most compelling argument against it is it reduces scoring to luck as opposed to skill. If you all have to kick if you score then points scoring becomes a lottery.

The other outcome would be very good props not getting picked because they can't kick.

Fair enough only 1 guys scores the points but it's a team effort to maneuver them into a position where it matters and it's a team reward.

 

[TRF_heineken]

A better suggestion would be to take the area of the halfway line to the goal are, and split it into 4-6 areas. Then give a player a designated area and only that player is allowed to kick at goal for that area. That way, you can have 4-6 players to kick at goal, regardless of their position. Then you can add a 7th kicker to take the kicks from his own halfway line...

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

A better suggestion would be to take the area of the halfway line to the goal are, and split it into 4-6 areas. Then give a player a designated area and only that player is allowed to kick at goal for that area. That way, you can have 4-6 players to kick at goal, regardless of their position. Then you can add a 7th kicker to take the kicks from his own halfway line...

Nick, you've been out siged!!! Fantastic!

 

[j'nuh]

So something that has been on my mind for a while which I think would make rugby a bit more interesting...

The players who score tries have to be responsible for their conversions. It would require upskilling players, but would also place less emphasis on selecting one player on their goal kicking. Anyway its been floating around in my head, what do you people think?

I don't think it would require upskilling players. Most players won't even make a change. Dan Cole has one try in 47 matches for England; he's not going to be wasting training time on kicking practice. Same goes for presumably all of the forwards and even a lot of the backs. The regular scorers in the backline may start training that area of their game, but even then it won't be that much. A good strike rate for a winger might be one try every other game. Is it worth your winger putting in a significant amount of kicking practice in order to slightly boost the chances of him getting those 2 points every other game?

I just don't think anything would change, except teams might start faffing around under the posts, trying to get the ball to their best kickers.

 

[dasNdanger]

Serious reply - while in theory this could spice things up a bit, I think overall it's a bad idea. The conversion point should be taken with utmost seriousness since scoring a try is the ultimate goal of a game. Also I think there'd be a danger of a player who lacks confidence with the boot throwing away the ball (like a game of hot potato) just to avoid being the try-scorer (and thus the conversion kicker as well). I really think such an idea would play mental games with the attacking line.

That said, I think it could be interesting if something like this was done for penalty kicks, though I have no idea how it could be done. I mean, it's not something you'd draw straws for, or flip a coin. But it could be a way to discourage teams from forcing a penalty or going for the penalty points rather than fighting for a try. Since a lot of fans seem to dislike the advantage teams gain through penalty points it may prove to be a deterrent if a team knows that they just can't rely on one man to win the game for them.


das

 

[neilbru]

Could you imagine a RU prop kicking a conversion, they would get charged down most of the time as, let's just say they're not picked for their speed, more for their scrummaging and weight, at least in rugby league the props have to be athletic and not built like sumo wrestlers,

 

[Draggs]

Counter-Sige!