The Laws of the Game/Referee - Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Rugby Union' started by goodNumber10, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. smartcooky

    smartcooky Referee Coach and Advisor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,730
    Country Flag:

    New Zealand

    Club or Nation:

    Tasman

    It would be a hard ask to expect jumpers to stay a half-metre away from the line of touch while holding a 110kg player up half a metre to the side and still expect them to still bring him down safely and in a legal position as the Law requires. The Laws don't say anything about lifters/supporters in this regard, so I might ask this one on the refs forum. There are a number of UK National Panel referees there who will be familiar with this.
     
  2. Forum Ad Advertisement

  3. Perthshire

    Perthshire Academy Player

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2011
    Messages:
    59
    Location:
    Perth, Scotland
    Country Flag:

    Scotland

    Club or Nation:

    Scotland

    what is the members views on the Value that the TMO adds to the International game??

    if the TMO protocol was to be revised, how would you like it revised ???
     
  4. red green

    red green Academy Player

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2014
    Messages:
    4
    Country Flag:

    United States

    SCRUMS SIMPLIFIED
    There has been no effectual changes to the scrum downs. The idea that the hooker needs to be jammed farther forward
    to reach the ball was created initially over 120 years ago. At that time there were as many as 5 or 6 per side in front row.
    The only purpose this serves present day is to create an unnecessary pressure point. From that center point the front
    row can be pushed, pulled and twisted left, right, up or down. The clear alternative to this is in fact already in the law book
    under front row binding. Have the hooker come in under the props in support of front row; and not to a convex point:
    But rather slightly concave. In other words the hooker will not throw his arms over and around the props as
    they set up for scrum but the opposite. The props wrap over and around the hooker. There are several other advantages to
    this: For example the hooker is has more freedom not just to protect himself but also easier to engage his rear bumper / locks.
    This improved method not only lessens the wheel and/or collapse but relieves much pressure off tight head
    and hooker. I played for 34 years - 31 as a hooker. Don't be so quick to condemn or ridicule before trying it. I've done it-
    It Works just fine.
    Sincerely,
     
  5. sigesige00

    sigesige00 Bench Player

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    760
    I was very surprised by the Glasgow-Toulouse game.
    In the 2nd half, Glasgow's No1 was replaced by No17. However, there was no number on his jersey. Probably there was mistake in the printing of number before the game. But, is a player without number OK?
     
  6. red green

    red green Academy Player

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2014
    Messages:
    4
    Country Flag:

    United States

    Captain's permission

    The idea is to monitor who & what you are up against: Especially when money is involved. If opposing captain recognizes & acknowledges
    said player, then yes. In front row we need people who can handle it for safety reasons. Personally, I want to play against anyone who thinks he is better than me. That's the fun of it and I respect them for it.
     
  7. sigesige00

    sigesige00 Bench Player

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Messages:
    760
    I have a question. Is kicking tee really necessary? I would suggest an alternative to kicking tee: American Football's Field Goal-style kicking (one player set the ball on the ground and kicker kicks that ball). What do you think?
     
  8. Thingimubob

    Thingimubob First XV

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2007
    Messages:
    2,854
    Location:
    Swansea
    Country Flag:

    Wales

    Club or Nation:

    Cardiff

    Haha you really do have a talent for picking up on things that really have no consequence to the game at all.

    The position of the ball on a tee is completely different to the American Football style, which tends to be just straight upright.

    No need to take out kicking tees at all.
     
  9. The_Blindside

    The_Blindside International

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2013
    Messages:
    5,173
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    British Irish Lions

    Can someone tell me how Garces allowed Falatau to get away with picking up the ball from within the back-wheeling Welsh scrum, which led to Falatau offloading to Webb to score Wales's only try?

    http://youtu.be/OZADDLe7xG8

    Watch link to highlights and the scrum is between 6 and 11 seconds of above video clip.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2015
  10. jonnyfolk

    jonnyfolk Academy Player

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2015
    Messages:
    1
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    England

    Also broke his bind and went down on one knee to pick the ball out of the scrum. I'm sure it's not legal but there was no discussion about it during or after the match so I'm not sure about it.
     
  11. ncurd

    ncurd International

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    7,764
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

    There were also numerous front row issues Wales could of been pinged for.

    After the match there's been huge discussion about it, simply put Wales were pretty lucky to get away with it.
     
  12. Perthshire

    Perthshire Academy Player

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2011
    Messages:
    59
    Location:
    Perth, Scotland
    Country Flag:

    Scotland

    Club or Nation:

    Scotland

    Cannot see this ever happening!!

    Why should the bonus pts system be abolished????
    I think the BP system should stay exactly as it is
     
  13. Tony Manx

    Tony Manx TRF Season Ticket Holder

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2011
    Messages:
    8,545
    Location:
    Isle of Man
    Club or Nation:

    Biarritz

    Lot to be said for French system of three clear tries difference rather than just going for four tries!
     
  14. ratsapprentice

    ratsapprentice Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2013
    Messages:
    12,105
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    England

    Definitely - it's a good system.

    It only really starts to work when teams in whichever league start routinely getting try BP's though, and at that point there is less need to encourage tries through BP's. :lol:
     
  15. Every Time Ref

    Every Time Ref First XV

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2014
    Messages:
    3,477
    Location:
    London
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

    A little behind the times, but I’m just now catching up with the Sarries-Wasps game from Sunday and during the buildup to the Sarries try in the first half, there were two consecutive penalties given against Wasps for offences in the maul. On both occasions, the referee said something along the lines of “you can’t change your bind to get onto the ball carrier.” Any idea what rule he was referring to? I was very confused by it as a) I don’t think I’ve heard it referred to before; and b) as far as I can tell it makes absolutely no sense - as Ben Kay pointed out in commentary, if you can’t change your bind then how on Earth can you get onto the ball carrier?!

    In principle I understand the rules in a maul, although in practice I do often struggle to distinguish legal from illegal defence, but this just has me totally stumped. The first I can see looked like “swimming” up the side of the maul, but the second in particular (against Nathan Hughs I think) looked completely legal as far as I understand the rules, even watching again in slo mo; regardless, it’s not so much that the penalties were given as the referee’s explanation which I don’t get.

    Can anyone shed some light upon this?
     
  16. ncurd

    ncurd International

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2015
    Messages:
    7,764
    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    Bath

    Is the ref referring to completely unbinding and rebinding to the same player to help you be a position to get to the ball carrier? It's the only thing I can think that makes any sense.
     
  17. goodNumber10

    goodNumber10 International

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2014
    Messages:
    6,029
    Location:
    Paris
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    London Wasps

    I think you have to bind with full arm, from hand to shoulder, you can't just be hand on the player...

    this is excellent from Scott Allen:

    http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/04/09/breaking-down-mauls-what-is-legal-and-whats-not/
     
  18. jonny24

    jonny24 Academy Player

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2012
    Messages:
    381
    Country Flag:

    Canada

    Club or Nation:

    Canada

    Does "binding" necessarily mean holding with the fingers? In theory could you have your whole arm, hand to shoulder, on your teammate, but not "grasping" them, and then slide your whole arm along him as you move toward the ball?
     
  19. Perthshire

    Perthshire Academy Player

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2011
    Messages:
    59
    Location:
    Perth, Scotland
    Country Flag:

    Scotland

    Club or Nation:

    Scotland

    I am not familiar with the french rugby bonus system , would some one care to explain it to me??????
     
  20. ratsapprentice

    ratsapprentice Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2013
    Messages:
    12,105
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    England

    You simply need to get 3 more than the opposition.

    So if they score none you need 3, if they score 2 you need to score 5.
     
  21. goodNumber10

    goodNumber10 International

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2014
    Messages:
    6,029
    Location:
    Paris
    Country Flag:

    England

    Club or Nation:

    London Wasps

    We play these rules... It makes for good rugby when you are winning. You see teams running from their 22 of there is chance to get the BP and not lose/give them a losing BP.
     
Enjoyed this thread? Register to post your reply - click here!

Share This Page

-->